Test fit: 19x10 -7 AME Shallen LX

Here's current progress on my fender pulling trying to fit these beasts.

19x10 -7 AME Shallen LX 235/35/19 Falken FK452

I got two friends to sit on the rear for the pictures :)
I'm hoping that it'll tuck it completely with just camber from this point on. Let me know what you think.  This is my first experience using my MAX fender roller.

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wow thats insane. you need some serious camber thou.

i think you might still rub with 235's...especially with the 452's...
 
throw some 225's on and you'll be in better condition...looks like you need to tuck about 1 1/4"...about 5-6 degrees of camber equals 1"...
 
personally, i think you're still gonna rub with 235's but keep us updated...
 
nice roll btw...looks like you really took your time...

Damn!this is gonna be gangsta!!

youll have better luck with a 235 st115 or a 225 fk452

225 federal would do it
and a tad more camber

These are Auto Fashion's old rims right?
On this is on a 2gen. GS?
 
Will be worth it once you get it to fit! But they pulled the fender....

This is on a 1st Gen LS400.  I've already pulled the fender to the extent that if I go any further the fender will buckle.  With every pass I make now, the fender buckles, then unbuckles as the roller passes the top of the arch of the fender.  Suggestions for new rear tires guys?  225/35/19 SS595 Federals, 225/35/19 Falken ST-115 or 215/35/19 Falken Fk452?

can't wait to see this done. The camber on this car is going to look amazing. Keep us updated.  What suspension are you on?

camber that sucker. i think with the amount of pull you have you can camber the rest and look just right. good job bro!

You need a smaller tire and lots of camber.  Good luck

Well, it really seems like different rear tires is a major part of the equation since FK452's are a fatty tire.

I am considering 2 different tires, please help me choose.

225/35/19 Federal SS595
225/35/19 Falken ST-115

I am leaning towards the ST-115 since I hear they stretch very well and run narrow for their sizes.  Input?  Iirc the rears are only at -1 or -2 camber right now.  Currently riding on Tokico shocks with Tanabe DF210 springs, converting to hydraulics soon (courtesy of FrankTheTank).

you may have trouble with a 225 st115. my tire shop had a bit of difficulty getting this 235 st115 on my 10"

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and here is a 225 st115 on a 9.5

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wow thats going to be tight, good luck

damn .. You got kevins old wheels ??  too bad at work and cant see Ish ! 

I bet its looking tight

Federals are fatter then Falkens IMHO, 225/35/19 on a 8.5 gave me less stretch than a 225 falken 452. You maybe better off sticking with Falken but going to a 225. You'll just have to deal with the load rating difference.

you shouldn't have any problems fitting a 225 on a 10...i've seen 245's on a 12" before...
 
i would get some generals or federalis...why don't you camber the rear first and see how much more you need to go...a smaller tire may not even help...if i remember correcly, the 1st gen LS cambers roughly 4 degrees...its not as much as say a y33...
 
hows the fitment in the front?  whats the size?

st115 FTW!!  if u have a reliable tire shop nearby...they should be able to stretch a 225 on a 10j.

Hmm, to me it looks like you should pull more, way more. And on the inside of the wheel well, just above the lip, there's a ridge you should hammer down flat to for tire clearance and helps roll and pull out a bit further... 

I don't thinkyou would have to run a 225 in the rear. I max cambered, roll and pulled mine (19x10 -2) on 235 falkens and my strut bottomed out as the tire slightly rubbed. Now im doind 19x10 -10 with 225 just cuz I want the lip to kiss the quarter.... 

Imo, max out the camber, and roll and pull more to were it flares out. GO NEGATIVE OFFSETS FTW!!!

What Hoebag said.  235 ST or 225 FK

I had 225/35/19 ST115 on 19x9.5 and it was extreme.  I doubt 225 ST115 would fit on 19x10.

Mista since you have a 1LS like mine I'm going to go with what you said and go at it and try to pull it even more.  I finished my driver's side today and got it MUCH cleaner than my passenger side came out (passenger side was the first fender I EVER rolled/pulled).  Pics up soon.  I have a feeling I can get it far enough out to tuck this wheel, and I'll be so happy when it does.  So just sledge or deadblow that inner ridge down as well?  I was going to ask about that, so thank you for clarifying beforehand.

do you plan on body working your quarters and repainting them?  if so, hammer and dolly works...

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Mista, do you have any advice on how to prevent the quarter panel from buckling inwards as you pull it?

this is gonna look sick, cant wait to see it on the hydros!
 
much props on the bravery of buying whels that aggressive!
looks like + more neg camber and they'll snug right in!

You don't need to do anything but add 2-3 degrees of camber and you'll be fine.

[QUOTE=NJ240sxMan;148572]Mista, do you have any advice on how to prevent the quarter panel from buckling inwards as you pull it?[/QUOTE]
Max camber it first, you may not have to pull it too much more. Max out the camber and toe essenctric bolts to the max. It'll be in the ball park of being even. Then see from there how much if any you have to pull...

You're using a heat gun right? Just heat up the lip and nothing else. Trust me, It won't buckle. Plus too, it looks like you are taking your time rolling and pulling cuz it looks nice. 

Ill try to get you some pics when I get to a computer...

gonna look dope

i like the color heh

camber camber camber...good luck looks good

Well, when I 'dump' it, I would like the tire to tuck down to the wheel.  This should happen if the pull is far enough regardless of the camber, am I right?

The alignment costs $125 so I'm doing that last if anything I believe.  I would also like to try to conserve tire wear a little bit.  If I ride at a higher height (equivalent height of sidewall in fender gap) then the camber should be less than it would be at slammed height, is this correct?

Yes I am using a heat gun while doing this.  I took my time with the passenger side fender and that took me about 6 hours while messing around.  The driver's side took me half that time and I've managed to get to this point in 3 hours time using lame OEM jacks (pinch weld jack from a firebird and the lexus scissor jack for the control arm).  I've found that if you put the roller directly on the two dimple points and use an extra amount of force outwards, the dimples will mostly disappear.

So, should I try pulling the fender and getting it to sit how I'd like it to, then look into cambering?  I'm thinking of running -5 degrees max if possible at ride height (or is this unrealistic?).   Mista if you can send me an IM if you have AIM so we can discuss a bit.

Its looking real good so far cant wait to see it done...

what do you mean 'tire tuck down to the wheel'?
 
yes, whenever you raise the car, the camber will be more positive...the more slam, the more camber...
 
get it to where you want it, camber and all, then get the alignment last...
 
-5 degrees is manageable for daily driven...
 
very nice...almost there...good thing mista gave you some good advice...

Do you mean I should manually adjust the camber by eye before getting an alignment?

I mean tucking the tire down to the wheel by like when the car goes full slam I hope it'd camber in enough to tuck part of the tire or maybe the entire tire and maybe rest on the wheel.

I actually did all of the work I did without mista's advice.  I'm putting his advice to use on saturday morning :)

you should NEVER let an alignment shop touch yoru camber
you set your camber at what you need to clear your wheels
they can adjust toe adn everything else

Yeah, just max out the camber manually yourself. Trust me it will be damn close to specs. On the 2 lower arms there's an essentric bolt with degrees of adjustment. Make the lines more visable with a sharpie, loosen the nuts (19mm) and adjust the bolts, max it out.
Don't pull anymore until you max the camber. Then see from there if you wanna pull some more. 
All the alignment shop will have to do from that point is set toe. As long as all the tires are pointed straight, tire wear will be kept to a minimun. Incorrect toe wears faster than negative camber. Keep us posted. And lets see more pics

if you want the edge of the rim to kiss the fender (this is the best look imo) then you need to account for everything...camber, tire stretch, pull, etc...if you adjust your camber, it will affect the look you're trying to achieve...
 
and yeah, only ask for toe alignment...you'll be maxing the camber by yourself...they may give you a wierd look but be sure they understand what you want...

I really never knew this info guys, thanks for the help.  I really appreciate it.  I may pull the passenger side a tiny bit more to even it out with the driver side, and I'll max my camber (since we dont get much negative camber stock on ucf10's as it is).

Mista, this is probably dumb to ask, but I recall the eccentric bolt having a circle on it too with those notches.  How do you properly go about 'maxing it out'?

just loosen the bolt on the other side and turn the eccentric bolt...tighten it back up...you're done...you will be able to feel the whole hub move...bottom will come outward and top will move in...

awesome ! tons of help for me too in here if I need it

Update, it fits (and without running more negative camber)!

Hammered the inner fender flat with a deadblow and pulled it out more.

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Nice!

How about some pics from further away?

yeah, lets see some side, full on, and 3/4 shots...i'd like to see how your pull looks...
 
i'm not into the ski slope fenders...i like more of a mild look...it looks better when there's a subtle slope...definitely need to put a skim coat of filler to make it nice and smooth...
 
great job though...way to stick with it...

I'm going to be putting all 4 wheels on tomorrow.  I'll get some full pics for you guys then.  I personally like a more subtle slope as well (I would have liked to have kept the stock body line) but this is what I needed to do to get it to fit.  From a distance it looks awesome though.  I know I'll need some filler eventually but I'm not worried about it at this point.

dam those wheels look nice

i think you might have pulled too much... well at least thats what it looks like to me in the last photos. unless you are trying to tuck the rim too. thats flared more than my car and my friends ucf11... 
 
but heres my old car i sold to my friend. rolled and pulled, max cambered 19x10 -2 235/35/19
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heres my car with the same rims, same rolll an pull, max camber 19x10 -2 235/35/19
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heres my car, same roll and pull, 19x10 -10 225/35/19
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19x11 +8 
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and how my car sits as we speak... all body work, no more pull. making it appear stock with a stock style bodyline...
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I'm hoping to tuck rim at max dump as well, I think.

NJ, so have you even touched your camber?

PLEASE adjust your camber, your pushing prerunner IMO

i understand the tire wear issues, my rears only last 1500 miles right now w/o toe alignment but i think it will look WAAAY better cambered

Haven't touched the camber, it's kinda difficult to run such low camber around here in the tri-state.  When I get an alignment I'll have them adjust it because I dont have the proper tools to do so here in Hoboken, unfortunately.

Current progress is pulling the front fenders.  I was attempting to fix up my driver's side fender and ended up pulling it on accident.  Fortunately, this led me to test fitting my 25mm spacers, and it looks absolutely mint with it.  So, tomorrow I finish pulling the fronts to make the front sit at 0 offset with the spacer

I think it looks good for someone thats going to run it with the natural drop camber.  At least u dont have to worry about too much tire wear.  It gets pretty bad when u always have to get tires for the people that drive far to get to places.  When we had a car drive from the shop to LA then to vegas and back tires where pretty beat up because they were running toyos with crazy camber.  Keep up the good work and lets see more progress.

Finished pulling the fronts and put the 25mm spacers on.

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wow, that's a lot of roll/pull...i think it needs camber to finish off the look...

Going to get an alignment for this year after I install my hydraulics (hopefully this upcoming weekend).  When that happens I will be riding it lower (though difficult with the roads here).  When driving the tires constantly tuck with NO rubbing :P  I'll get the fenders smoothed out when I eventually get the car repainted.

Like all things in life, too much of a good thing can quickly become bad...

Keep in mind I'm working on the sidestreets of Hoboken on this...  And there's really no places I know of around this area that still do fender rolling/pulling.  It'll get smoothed out.

poor car

:biggthumpup: Now camber that bitch n make the frame kiss the floor :biggthumpup:
 
BTW Mista808, damn you and your crew roll deep. i wish my friends had VIP'ed out cars, theyre all still in their Honda phase :dunnored:

crazy honda cats, bout time they grew up and moved on.
 
id rock my car with fenders rolled like that, smooth out your fenders and it'll look cherry

As soon as the hydros are in, it's getting dumped.

I'm gonna try to smooth out the fenders soon, but I might not be able to get it repainted until August.  So I might have to ride around with fenders like this until that time.

wow thats crazy bro

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[quote=RotaryAE86;149734] smooth out your fenders and it'll look cherry[/quote]
 
 
actually i just took a second look at the pics and i like the fenders as is, i thought the fender lips had waves in them, i was mistaken:pat:

wow! i wanna do something like this on my gs

this turned out to be into a really decent thread. nice ls

Insane .... !  thats what I can fitting the car to the rims ...  great thread ... also the cars fitting the 11' was awesome