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VipDoutSeptember 26, 2008
#190964

WaMu is largest U.S. bank failure 7:38 pm

WaMu is largest U.S. bank failure

By Elinor Comlay and Jonathan Stempel 31 minutes ago

NEW YORK/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Washington Mutual Inc was closed by the U.S. government in by far the largest failure of a U.S. bank, and its banking assets were sold to JPMorgan Chase & Co for $1.9 billion.
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Thursday's seizure and sale is the latest historic step in U.S. government attempts to clean up a banking industry littered with toxic mortgage debt. Negotiations over a $700 billion bailout of the entire financial system stalled in Washington on Thursday.
Washington Mutual, the largest U.S. savings and loan, has been one of the lenders hardest hit by the nation's housing bust and credit crisis, and had already suffered from soaring mortgage losses.
Washington Mutual was shut by the federal Office of Thrift Supervision, and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp was named receiver. This followed $16.7 billion of deposit outflows at the Seattle-based thrift since Sept 15, the OTS said.
"With insufficient liquidity to meet its obligations, WaMu was in an unsafe and unsound condition to transact business," the OTS said.
Customers should expect business as usual on Friday, and all depositors are fully protected, the FDIC said.
FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair said the bailout happened on Thursday night because of media leaks, and to calm customers. Usually, the FDIC takes control of failed institutions on Friday nights, giving it the weekend to go through the books and enable them to reopen smoothly the following Monday.
Washington Mutual has about $307 billion of assets and $188 billion of deposits, regulators said. The largest previous U.S. banking failure was Continental Illinois National Bank & Trust, which had $40 billion of assets when it collapsed in 1984.
JPMorgan said the transaction means it will now have 5,410 branches in 23 U.S. states from coast to coast, as well as the largest U.S. credit card business.
It vaults JPMorgan past Bank of America Corp to become the nation's second-largest bank, with $2.04 trillion of assets, just behind Citigroup Inc. Bank of America will go to No. 1 once it completes its planned purchase of Merrill Lynch & Co.
The bailout also fulfills JPMorgan Chief Executive Jamie Dimon's long-held goal of becoming a retail bank force in the western United States. It comes four months after JPMorgan acquired the failing investment bank Bear Stearns Cos at a fire-sale price through a government-financed transaction.
On a conference call, Dimon said the "risk here obviously is the asset values."
He added: "That's what created this opportunity."
JPMorgan expects to incur $1.5 billion of pre-tax costs, but realize an equal amount of annual savings, mostly by the end of 2010. It expects the transaction to add to earnings immediately, and increase earnings 70 cents per share by 2011.
It also plans to sell $8 billion of stock, and take a $31 billion write-down for the loans it bought, representing estimated future credit losses.
The FDIC said the acquisition does not cover claims of Washington Mutual equity, senior debt and subordinated debt holders. It also said the transaction will not affect its roughly $45.2 billion deposit insurance fund.
"Jamie Dimon is clearly feeling that he has an opportunity to grab market share, and get it at fire-sale prices," said Matt McCormick, a portfolio manager at Bahl & Gaynor Investment Counsel in Cincinnati. "He's becoming an acquisition machine."
BAILOUT UNCERTAINTY
The transaction came as Washington wrangles over the fate of a $700 billion bailout of the financial services industry, which has been battered by mortgage defaults and tight credit conditions, and evaporating investor confidence.
"It removes an uncertainty from the market," said Shane Oliver, head of investment strategy at AMP Capital in Sydney. "The problem is that markets are in a jittery stage. Washington Mutual provides another reminder how tenuous things are."
Washington Mutual's collapse is the latest of a series of takeovers and outright failures that have transformed the American financial landscape and wiped out hundreds of billions of dollars of shareholder wealth.
These include the disappearance of Bear, government takeovers of mortgage companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the insurer American International Group Inc, the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc, and Bank of America's purchase of Merrill.
JPMorgan, based in New York, ended June with $1.78 trillion of assets, $722.9 billion of deposits and 3,157 branches. Washington Mutual then had 2,239 branches and 43,198 employees. It is unclear how many people will lose their jobs.
Shares of Washington Mutual plunged $1.24 to 45 cents in after-hours trading after news of a JPMorgan transaction surfaced. JPMorgan shares rose $1.04 to $44.50 after hours, but before the stock offering was announced.
119-YEAR HISTORY
The transaction ends exactly 119 years of independence for Washington Mutual, whose predecessor was incorporated on September 25, 1889, "to offer its stockholders a safe and profitable vehicle for investing and lending," according to the thrift's website. This helped Seattle residents rebuild after a fire torched the city's downtown.
It also follows more than a week of sale talks in which Washington Mutual attracted interest from several suitors.
These included Banco Santander SA, Citigroup Inc, HSBC Holdings Plc, Toronto-Dominion Bank and Wells Fargo & Co, as well as private equity firms Blackstone Group LP and Carlyle Group, people familiar with the situation said.
Less than three weeks ago, Washington Mutual ousted Chief Executive Kerry Killinger, who drove the thrift's growth as well as its expansion in subprime and other risky mortgages. It replaced him with Alan Fishman, the former chief executive of Brooklyn, New York's Independence Community Bank Corp.
WaMu's board was surprised at the seizure, and had been working on alternatives, people familiar with the matter said.
More than half of Washington Mutual's roughly $227 billion book of real estate loans was in home equity loans, and in adjustable-rate mortgages and subprime mortgages that are now considered risky.
The transaction wipes out a $1.35 billion investment by David Bonderman's private equity firm TPG Inc, the lead investor in a $7 billion capital raising by the thrift in April.
A TPG spokesman said the firm is "dissatisfied with the loss," but that the investment "represented a very small portion of our assets."
DIMON POUNCES
The deal is the latest ambitious move by Dimon.
Once a golden child at Citigroup before his mentor Sanford "Sandy" Weill engineered his ouster in 1998, Dimon has carved for himself something of a role as a Wall Street savior.
Dimon joined JPMorgan in 2004 after selling his Bank One Corp to the bank for $56.9 billion, and became chief executive at the end of 2005.
Some historians see parallels between him and the legendary financier John Pierpont Morgan, who ran J.P. Morgan & Co and was credited with intervening to end a banking panic in 1907.

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                                                    NEW YORK/WASHINGTON (Reuters) -  Washington Mutual Inc was closed by the U.S. government in by far the largest failure of a U.S. bank, and its banking assets were sold to JPMorgan Chase & Co for $1.9 billion.
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Thursday's seizure and sale is the latest historic step in U.S. government attempts to clean up a banking industry littered with toxic mortgage debt. Negotiations over a $700 billion bailout of the entire financial system stalled in Washington on Thursday.
  Washington Mutual, the largest U.S. savings and loan, has been one of the lenders hardest hit by the nation's housing bust and credit crisis, and had already suffered from soaring mortgage losses.
  Washington Mutual was shut by the federal Office of Thrift Supervision, and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp was named receiver. This followed $16.7 billion of deposit outflows at the Seattle-based thrift since Sept 15, the OTS said.
  "With insufficient liquidity to meet its obligations, WaMu was in an unsafe and unsound condition to transact business," the OTS said.
  Customers should expect business as usual on Friday, and all depositors are fully protected, the FDIC said.
  FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair said the bailout happened on Thursday night because of media leaks, and to calm customers. Usually, the FDIC takes control of failed institutions on Friday nights, giving it the weekend to go through the books and enable them to reopen smoothly the following Monday.
  Washington Mutual has about $307 billion of assets and $188 billion of deposits, regulators said. The largest previous U.S. banking failure was Continental Illinois National Bank & Trust, which had $40 billion of assets when it collapsed in 1984.
  JPMorgan said the transaction means it will now have 5,410 branches in 23 U.S. states from coast to coast, as well as the largest U.S. credit card business.
  It vaults JPMorgan past Bank of America Corp to become the nation's second-largest bank, with $2.04 trillion of assets, just behind Citigroup Inc. Bank of America will go to No. 1 once it completes its planned purchase of Merrill Lynch & Co.
  The bailout also fulfills JPMorgan Chief Executive Jamie Dimon's long-held goal of becoming a retail bank force in the western United States. It comes four months after JPMorgan acquired the failing investment bank Bear Stearns Cos at a fire-sale price through a government-financed transaction.
  On a conference call, Dimon said the "risk here obviously is the asset values."
  He added: "That's what created this opportunity."
  JPMorgan expects to incur $1.5 billion of pre-tax costs, but realize an equal amount of annual savings, mostly by the end of 2010. It expects the transaction to add to earnings immediately, and increase earnings 70 cents per share by 2011.
  It also plans to sell $8 billion of stock, and take a $31 billion write-down for the loans it bought, representing estimated future credit losses.
  The FDIC said the acquisition does not cover claims of Washington Mutual equity, senior debt and subordinated debt holders. It also said the transaction will not affect its roughly $45.2 billion deposit insurance fund.
  "Jamie Dimon is clearly feeling that he has an opportunity to grab market share, and get it at fire-sale prices," said Matt McCormick, a portfolio manager at Bahl & Gaynor Investment Counsel in Cincinnati. "He's becoming an acquisition machine."
  BAILOUT UNCERTAINTY 
  The transaction came as Washington wrangles over the fate of a $700 billion bailout of the financial services industry, which has been battered by mortgage defaults and tight credit conditions, and evaporating investor confidence. 
 "It removes an uncertainty from the market," said Shane Oliver, head of investment strategy at AMP Capital in Sydney. "The problem is that markets are in a jittery stage. Washington Mutual provides another reminder how tenuous things are." 
Washington Mutual's collapse is the latest of a series of takeovers and outright failures that have transformed the American financial landscape and wiped out hundreds of billions of dollars of shareholder wealth. 
  These include the disappearance of Bear, government takeovers of mortgage companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the insurer American International Group Inc, the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc, and Bank of America's purchase of Merrill. 
  JPMorgan, based in New York, ended June with $1.78 trillion of assets, $722.9 billion of deposits and 3,157 branches. Washington Mutual then had 2,239 branches and 43,198 employees. It is unclear how many people will lose their jobs. 
  Shares of Washington Mutual plunged $1.24 to 45 cents in after-hours trading after news of a JPMorgan transaction surfaced. JPMorgan shares rose $1.04 to $44.50 after hours, but before the stock offering was announced. 
  119-YEAR HISTORY 
The transaction ends exactly 119 years of independence for Washington Mutual, whose predecessor was incorporated on September 25, 1889, "to offer its stockholders a safe and profitable vehicle for investing and lending," according to the thrift's website. This helped Seattle residents rebuild after a fire torched the city's downtown. 
  It also follows more than a week of sale talks in which Washington Mutual attracted interest from several suitors. 
  These included Banco Santander SA, Citigroup Inc, HSBC Holdings Plc, Toronto-Dominion Bank and Wells Fargo & Co, as well as private equity firms Blackstone Group LP and Carlyle Group, people familiar with the situation said. 
  Less than three weeks ago, Washington Mutual ousted Chief Executive Kerry Killinger, who drove the thrift's growth as well as its expansion in subprime and other risky mortgages. It replaced him with Alan Fishman, the former chief executive of Brooklyn, New York's Independence Community Bank Corp. 
  WaMu's board was surprised at the seizure, and had been working on alternatives, people familiar with the matter said. 
More than half of Washington Mutual's roughly $227 billion book of real estate loans was in home equity loans, and in adjustable-rate mortgages and subprime mortgages that are now considered risky. 
  The transaction wipes out a $1.35 billion investment by David Bonderman's private equity firm TPG Inc, the lead investor in a $7 billion capital raising by the thrift in April. 
 A TPG spokesman said the firm is "dissatisfied with the loss," but that the investment "represented a very small portion of our assets." 
  DIMON POUNCES 
  The deal is the latest ambitious move by Dimon. 
  Once a golden child at Citigroup before his mentor Sanford "Sandy" Weill engineered his ouster in 1998, Dimon has carved for himself something of a role as a Wall Street savior. 
Dimon joined JPMorgan in 2004 after selling his Bank One Corp to the bank for $56.9 billion, and became chief executive at the end of 2005. 
  Some historians see parallels between him and the legendary financier John Pierpont Morgan, who ran J.P. Morgan & Co and was credited with intervening to end a banking panic in 1907.

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[URL]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080926/ts_nm/us_washingtonmutual_jpmorgan_news[/URL]
freshSeptember 26, 2008
#190980
i have a wamu cc i jsut paid the bill last night while i was at the bar over the phone haha
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i have a wamu cc i jsut paid the bill last night while i was at the bar over the phone haha
urmyhero4nowSeptember 26, 2008
#190984
fuck that...dont pay your bill ahahah...they are gone anyways
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fuck that...dont pay your bill ahahah...they are gone anyways
OGSeptember 26, 2008
#190985
depressions are depressing. i'm gonna go buy some overpriced car parts to take my mind off it.
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depressions are depressing. i'm gonna go buy some overpriced car parts to take my mind off it.
augdoggSeptember 26, 2008
#190995
Wow, I work for Chase now...:shrug:
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Wow, I work for Chase now...:shrug:
VipDoutSeptember 26, 2008
#190998
werd ! I work for CitiBank and considering to work for Winery's personally ..........



We shall see thou !
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werd ! I work for CitiBank and considering to work for Winery's  personally ..........



We shall see thou !
KohinoorSeptember 26, 2008
#191001
this is getting pretty ridiculous
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this is getting pretty ridiculous
VipDoutSeptember 26, 2008
#191002
any guesses on whos next !
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any guesses on whos next !
widebody_QSeptember 26, 2008
#191006
Nothing left to do but buy guns and lots of amo
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Nothing left to do but buy guns and lots of amo
pgmotoringusaSeptember 26, 2008
#191010
they are not gone....just bought out by force. The whole banking industry is struggling, anyone could be next. My guess is Wachovia..
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they are not gone....just bought out by force.  The whole banking industry is struggling, anyone could be next.  My guess is Wachovia..
DriftGirlSeptember 26, 2008
#191065
Those not local to the seattle area will not feel this much. Wamu has been great to us investors in the local market. My company actually bought a lot of stock in 2005-2006 and got out in early 07. They were key to us having a successful Investment corp. And key to a lot of individuals that were smart enough to manipulate the housing situation...

The only people hurt by this are the local charities,private investors, 401k and stock holders. Deposits are safe, for those under 100k you are insured by the FDIC (for those that dont know) anyone with more than that saw this coming and are long gone by now. :biggthumpup:

I do think that this will be the only major bank failure. Mergers may happen but I dont see the FDIC taking over anyones assets at this level again. Theres local speculation in regards to job loss...but thats with any merger or take-over. :(

yes, you do have to pay your bills folks. JP bought most of WaMu's assets...including sum of your mortgages and debt. :smiley-rofl:

This will impact our area very heavy tho :sad: they gave a LOT of money over their many years of service in Washington. Very sad to see this happen to a great institution.
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Those not local to the seattle area will not feel this much. Wamu has been great to us investors in the local market. My company actually bought a lot of stock in 2005-2006 and got out in early 07. They were key to us having a successful Investment corp. And key to a lot of individuals that were smart enough to manipulate the housing situation... 
 
The only people hurt by this are the local charities,private investors, 401k and stock holders. Deposits are safe, for those under 100k you are insured by the FDIC (for those that dont know) anyone with more than that saw this coming and are long gone by now. :biggthumpup:
 
 I do think that this will be the only [B]major[/B] bank failure. Mergers may happen but I dont see the FDIC taking over anyones assets at this level again. Theres local speculation in regards to job loss...but thats with any merger or take-over. :(
 
yes, you do have to pay your bills folks. JP bought [B]most [/B]of WaMu's assets...including sum of your mortgages and debt. :smiley-rofl:
 
This will impact our area very heavy tho :sad:  they gave a LOT of money over their many years of service in Washington. Very sad to see this happen to a great institution.
aristo93September 26, 2008
#191069
Wow this is nuts
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Wow this is nuts
augdoggSeptember 26, 2008
#191071
The news said that ppl wouldn't need to worry about thier FDIC insurance cause the federal gov isn't closing down the bank, JP/Chase just took it over. None the lesss the lay ppl of the us unfamiliar w/ how things work will be in today to drain thier accounts i'm sure, so it will make for an interesting day at work...wish me luck!
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The news said that ppl wouldn't need to worry about thier FDIC insurance cause the federal gov isn't closing down the bank, JP/Chase just took it over. None the lesss the lay ppl of the us unfamiliar w/ how things work will be in today to drain thier accounts i'm sure, so it will make for an interesting day at work...wish me luck!
VIP KINGSeptember 26, 2008
#191074
augdogg;190995 wrote:Wow, I work for Chase now...:shrug:


Sweet, clear off my debt will ya? I'll pay you nicely :giggity:
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[quote=augdogg;190995]Wow, I work for Chase now...:shrug:[/quote]
 
Sweet, clear off my debt will ya? I'll pay you nicely :giggity:
augdoggSeptember 26, 2008
#191075
VIP KING;191074 wrote:Sweet, clear off my debt will ya? I'll pay you nicely :giggity:


augdogg:slap:vip king
Silly guy thats not how it works...
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[QUOTE=VIP KING;191074]Sweet, clear off my debt will ya? I'll pay you nicely :giggity:[/QUOTE]

augdogg:slap:vip king
Silly guy thats not how it works...
VIP KINGSeptember 26, 2008
#191079
augdogg;191075 wrote:augdogg:slap:vip king
Silly guy thats not how it works...



LMAO....silly guy...money talks!! =)


I KID, I KID.....
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[quote=augdogg;191075]augdogg:slap:vip king
Silly guy thats not how it works...[/quote]
 
 
LMAO....silly guy...money talks!! =)
 
 
I KID, I KID.....
augdoggSeptember 26, 2008
#191084
VIP KING;191079 wrote:LMAO....silly guy...money talks!! =)
I KID, I KID.....


Me thinks yer on to something...:dance:
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[QUOTE=VIP KING;191079]LMAO....silly guy...money talks!! =)
I KID, I KID.....[/QUOTE]

Me thinks yer on to something...:dance:
INYOFAZSeptember 26, 2008
#191086
dont expect wachovia to be around much longer i would guess that will be the next big one to go
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dont expect wachovia to be around much longer i would guess that will be the next big one to go
elpresidenteSeptember 26, 2008
#191194
People...relax. It's being handled. What really screwed everything up was a TON of short traders taking advantage of the market and it's since been stopped by the SEC. My brother (broker for Morgan Stanley) told me all about it yesterday as well as the bailout plans and how the public totally has the wrong idea...and it totally made sense too.
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People...relax.  It's being handled.  What really screwed everything up was a TON of short traders taking advantage of the market and it's since been stopped by the SEC.  My brother (broker for Morgan Stanley) told me all about it yesterday as well as the bailout plans and how the public totally has the wrong idea...and it totally made sense too.
pgmotoringusaSeptember 26, 2008
#191199
elpresidente;191194 wrote:People...relax. It's being handled. What really screwed everything up was a TON of short traders taking advantage of the market and it's since been stopped by the SEC. My brother (broker for Morgan Stanley) told me all about it yesterday as well as the bailout plans and how the public totally has the wrong idea...and it totally made sense too.


yes totally true. it is pretty bad, but the media made it much worse than it is.
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[quote=elpresidente;191194]People...relax. It's being handled. What really screwed everything up was a TON of short traders taking advantage of the market and it's since been stopped by the SEC. My brother (broker for Morgan Stanley) told me all about it yesterday as well as the bailout plans and how the public totally has the wrong idea...and it totally made sense too.[/quote]
 
yes totally true.  it is pretty bad, but the media made it much worse than it is.
VipDoutSeptember 26, 2008
#191205
Media blew it up ... I have been hearing about WAMU since over a month ago .. but it was holding at 3-4 dollars a share now its turned over ..

I will see job losses happen in the next up coming months ... Citi did a huge lay off prior to me getting inside ...

the Economy is screwed ... we need to see some changes made in the future by the government ..

also ... did the stock market crash the other day el pres ? I only heard about it from a friend
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Media blew it up ... I have been hearing about WAMU since over a month ago .. but it was holding at 3-4 dollars a share now its turned over .. 
 
 I will see job losses happen in the next up coming months ... Citi did a huge lay off prior to me getting inside ... 
 
the Economy is screwed ... we need to see some changes made in the future by the government .. 
 
also ... did the stock market crash the other day el pres ?   I only heard about it from a friend
DriftGirlSeptember 27, 2008
#191265
CEO of failed WaMu could get millions
Friday September 26, 4:29 pm ET
By Marcy Gordon, AP Business Writer CEO of failed Washington Mutual entitled to millions after few weeks on job

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The CEO of failed Washington Mutual Inc., on the job only a few weeks before the nation's largest thrift was seized by the government and sold to JPMorgan Chase & Co., is entitled to more than $13 million in severance and bonus pay.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080926/wamu_ceo_pay.html?.&.pf=banking-budgeting
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[B][SIZE=5]CEO of failed WaMu could get millions
[/SIZE][/B][SIZE=2]Friday September 26, 4:29 pm ET[/SIZE] 
By Marcy Gordon, AP Business Writer [B][SIZE=4]CEO of failed Washington Mutual entitled to millions after few weeks on job[/SIZE][/B] 

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The CEO of failed Washington Mutual Inc., on the job only a few weeks before the nation's largest thrift was seized by the government and sold to JPMorgan Chase & Co., is entitled to more than $13 million in severance and bonus pay.
 
[URL]http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080926/wamu_ceo_pay.html?.&.pf=banking-budgeting[/URL]
vip tint+glassSeptember 27, 2008
#191293
yup heard about this on tuesday. a glass company that i do a lot of tinting for told me about it. he pulled out b4 all of this. i would have done the same thing just in case.
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yup heard about this on tuesday.  a glass company that i do a lot of tinting for told me about it.  he pulled out b4 all of this.  i would have done the same thing just in case.
augdoggSeptember 27, 2008
#191298
I actually prefer sayin i work for J.P. Morgan Chase then Wamu.
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I actually prefer sayin i work for J.P. Morgan Chase then Wamu.
vzuptnguyenSeptember 27, 2008
#191329
wells fargo for the win!!!


who wants to come open an account =]
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wells fargo for the win!!!


who wants to come open an account =]
vzuptnguyenSeptember 27, 2008
#191330
augdogg;191298 wrote:I actually prefer sayin i work for J.P. Morgan Chase then Wamu.


it soiunds so nice and professional


hey who do you work for?

JP Morgan Chase



oh hey, where u work at?

wahmoo




good luck auggie
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[QUOTE=augdogg;191298]I actually prefer sayin i work for J.P. Morgan Chase then Wamu.[/QUOTE]

it soiunds so nice and professional


hey who do you work for?

JP Morgan Chase



oh hey, where u work at?

wahmoo




good luck auggie
tbrackSeptember 27, 2008
#191401
so·cial·ism (sō'shə-lĭz'əm) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.


so·cial·ism /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.


enough said...
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so·cial·ism        (sō'shə-lĭz'əm)  Pronunciation Key 
n.  

   1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a [B]centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.[/B]
   2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.


so·cial·ism        /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1.	a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2.	procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3.	(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles. 


enough said...
vip tint+glassSeptember 28, 2008
#191481
yeah aug hope everything works out for you. hope they dont do any restructuring
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yeah aug hope everything works out for you.  hope they dont do any restructuring
firelizardSeptember 28, 2008
#191536
tbrack;191401 wrote:so·cial·ism (sō'shə-lĭz'əm) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.


Once the government starts nationalizing companies, then you can cry socialism.

If the government sat back and twiddled their thumbs some more, things would get much much worse.

Too bad it takes crises to get things moving.
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[QUOTE=tbrack;191401]so·cial·ism        (sō'shə-lĭz'əm)  Pronunciation Key 
n.  

   1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a [B]centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.[/B]
 [/QUOTE]

Once the government starts nationalizing companies, then you can cry socialism.

If the government sat back and twiddled their thumbs some more, things would get much much worse.

Too bad it takes crises to get things moving.