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Recession = better looking strippers

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widebody_QMarch 22, 2009
#237211

Recession = better looking strippers

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CHICAGO - As a bartender and trainer at a national restaurant chain, Rebecca Brown earned a couple thousand dollars in a really good week. Now, as a dancer at Chicago’s Pink Monkey gentleman’s club, she makes almost that much in one good night.
The tough job market is prompting a growing number of women across the country to dance in strip clubs, appear in adult movies or pose for magazines like Hustler.
Employers across the adult entertainment industry say they’re seeing an influx of applications from women who, like Brown, are attracted by the promise of flexible schedules and fast cash. Many have college degrees and held white-collar jobs until the economy soured.

“You’re seeing a lot more beautiful women who are eligible to do so many other things,” said Gus Poulos, general manager of New York City’s Sin City gentleman’s club. He said he got 85 responses in just one day to a recent job posting on Craigslist.
The transition to the nightclub scene isn’t always a smooth one — from learning to dance in five-inch heels to dealing with the jeers of some customers.
Some performers said they were initially so nervous that only alcohol could calm their nerves.
“It is like giving a speech, but instead of imagining everyone naked, you’re the one who’s naked,” Brown, 29, said.
Eva Stone, a 25-year-old dancer at the Pink Monkey, said dealing with occasional verbal abuse from patrons requires “a thick skin.”
Makers of adult films cautioned that women shouldn’t rush into the decision to make adult movies without considering the effect on their lives.
“Once you decide to be an adult actress, it impacts your relationship with everyone,” said Steven Hirsch, co-chairman of adult film giant Vivid Entertainment Group. “Once you make an adult film, it never goes away.”
The women at the Pink Monkey say dancing at a strip club might not have been their first career choice, but they entered the business with their eyes wide open. The job gives them more control and flexibility than sitting in a cubicle, and “it’s easy, it’s fun and all of us girls ... look out for each other,” Brown said.
In this economy, “desperate measures are becoming far more acceptable,” said Jonathan Alpert, a New York City-based psychotherapist who’s had clients who worked in adult entertainment.

Charles Rex Arbogast / AP
Rebecca Brown says she was able to earn a couple thousand dollars a week when she worked for a national restaurant chain. As a dancer, she can make almost that much in one night.

For some, dancing is temporary, a way to pay for college loans or other bills. Others say they’ve found their niche.
Dancers at the upscale Rick’s Caberet clubs in New York City and Miami can make $100,000 to $300,000 a year — in cash — even with the economic downturn, club spokesman Allan Priaulx said.
Priaulx said 20 to 30 women a week are applying for jobs at the New York club, double the number of a year ago.
Rhode Island’s Foxy Lady held a job fair Saturday, seeking to fill about 35 positions for dancers, masseuses, bartenders and bouncers. The Providence Journal reported that more than 150 job seekers showed up to apply for work at the strip club. Foxy Lady co-owner Tom Tsoumas said a recent promotion to cut prices helped the club regain business lost due to the bad economy, forcing it to hire more employees.
Still, analysts say, the industry isn’t immune to the economic recession. Business is down an estimated 30 percent across all segments, including adult films, gentleman’s clubs, magazines and novelty shops, said Paul Fishbein, president of AVN Media Network, an adult entertainment company that has a widely distributed trade publication and an award show.
“In the past, people have said this industry is recession-proof,” said Eric Wold, director of research for financial services firm Merriman Curhan Ford. “I definitely don’t see that; maybe recession-resistant.”

Strip club dancers and managers said they’re drawing in the same number of customers, but fewer high rollers.
“They’re not getting the big spenders,” said Angelina Spencer, executive director of the Association of Club Executives, a trade group for adult nightclubs. “They’re not getting the guys who come in and drop $3,000 to $4,000 a night anymore.”

Still, the clubs’ operating structure leaves them with low overhead and profit margins of up to 50 percent, Wold said.

Dancers are independent contractors, paying clubs a nightly flat fee depending on how long they work. At the Pink Monkey, for example, dancers who arrive at 7 p.m. Sunday through Thursday pay a $40 “house fee,” while women who don’t arrive until midnight pay $90. And they keep their tips.
Wold and others say it’s almost impossible to estimate the size of the adult entertainment industry because few companies are publicly traded. He does pay close attention to three that are: Lakewood, Colo.-based VCG Holding and Houston-based Rick’s Caberet, which own clubs, and New Frontier Media, a Boulder, Colo.-based adult film producer and distributor.
All three are profitable.
Rick’s Caberet had $60 million in revenue in its 2008 fiscal year, up from $32 million the year before, Wold said, and he estimates VCG will have $57 million for last year, compared with $40.5 million in FY2007. New Frontier Media generates more than $400 million in consumer buying a year.
Larry Flynt, whose half-billion dollar Hustler empire publishes magazines, produces and distributes films and operates a casino, said he’s continued to do well. But he doesn’t expect those who are solely in the film business to survive.

“A lot of the small studios are out of business now, there’s no doubt about that,” Flynt said.
Adult magazines also are struggling along with the larger publishing industry, and have to cut pages like everyone else.
But the economic realities aren’t keeping jobseekers away.
Vivid Entertainment’s Hirsch said the number of women in his business has doubled in the last couple years, with roughly 800 working as adult actresses. “It is more competitive than I’ve seen it in 25 years,” he said.
That doesn’t mean all the newcomers are planning on lengthy careers in the industry.

Stone, who has a bachelor’s degree in graphic design, took up dancing four years ago to help pay her student loans. She plans to go to graduate school this year to pursue a master’s in education.
Brown, meanwhile, has a ready answer for those critical of her career choice.
“I have job security,” she said.
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CHICAGO - As a bartender and trainer at a national restaurant chain, Rebecca Brown earned a couple thousand dollars in a really good week. Now, as a dancer at Chicago’s Pink Monkey gentleman’s club, she makes almost that much in one good night.
The tough job market is prompting a growing number of women across the country to dance in strip clubs, appear in adult movies or pose for magazines like Hustler.
Employers across the adult entertainment industry say they’re seeing an influx of applications from women who, like Brown, are attracted by the promise of flexible schedules and fast cash. Many have college degrees and held white-collar jobs until the economy soured.

“You’re seeing a lot more beautiful women who are eligible to do so many other things,” said Gus Poulos, general manager of New York City’s Sin City gentleman’s club. He said he got 85 responses in just one day to a recent job posting on Craigslist.
The transition to the nightclub scene isn’t always a smooth one — from learning to dance in five-inch heels to dealing with the jeers of some customers.
Some performers said they were initially so nervous that only alcohol could calm their nerves.
“It is like giving a speech, but instead of imagining everyone naked, you’re the one who’s naked,” Brown, 29, said.
Eva Stone, a 25-year-old dancer at the Pink Monkey, said dealing with occasional verbal abuse from patrons requires “a thick skin.”
Makers of adult films cautioned that women shouldn’t rush into the decision to make adult movies without considering the effect on their lives.
“Once you decide to be an adult actress, it impacts your relationship with everyone,” said Steven Hirsch, co-chairman of adult film giant Vivid Entertainment Group. “Once you make an adult film, it never goes away.”
The women at the Pink Monkey say dancing at a strip club might not have been their first career choice, but they entered the business with their eyes wide open. The job gives them more control and flexibility than sitting in a cubicle, and “it’s easy, it’s fun and all of us girls ... look out for each other,” Brown said.
In this economy, “desperate measures are becoming far more acceptable,” said Jonathan Alpert, a New York City-based psychotherapist who’s had clients who worked in adult entertainment.
 
Charles Rex Arbogast / AP
Rebecca Brown says she was able to earn a couple thousand dollars a week when she worked for a national restaurant chain. As a dancer, she can make almost that much in one night.
 
For some, dancing is temporary, a way to pay for college loans or other bills. Others say they’ve found their niche.
Dancers at the upscale Rick’s Caberet clubs in New York City and Miami can make $100,000 to $300,000 a year — in cash — even with the economic downturn, club spokesman Allan Priaulx said.
Priaulx said 20 to 30 women a week are applying for jobs at the New York club, double the number of a year ago.
Rhode Island’s Foxy Lady held a job fair Saturday, seeking to fill about 35 positions for dancers, masseuses, bartenders and bouncers. The Providence Journal reported that more than 150 job seekers showed up to apply for work at the strip club. Foxy Lady co-owner Tom Tsoumas said a recent promotion to cut prices helped the club regain business lost due to the bad economy, forcing it to hire more employees.
Still, analysts say, the industry isn’t immune to the economic recession. Business is down an estimated 30 percent across all segments, including adult films, gentleman’s clubs, magazines and novelty shops, said Paul Fishbein, president of AVN Media Network, an adult entertainment company that has a widely distributed trade publication and an award show.
“In the past, people have said this industry is recession-proof,” said Eric Wold, director of research for financial services firm Merriman Curhan Ford. “I definitely don’t see that; maybe recession-resistant.”
 
Strip club dancers and managers said they’re drawing in the same number of customers, but fewer high rollers.
“They’re not getting the big spenders,” said Angelina Spencer, executive director of the Association of Club Executives, a trade group for adult nightclubs. “They’re not getting the guys who come in and drop $3,000 to $4,000 a night anymore.”

Still, the clubs’ operating structure leaves them with low overhead and profit margins of up to 50 percent, Wold said.

Dancers are independent contractors, paying clubs a nightly flat fee depending on how long they work. At the Pink Monkey, for example, dancers who arrive at 7 p.m. Sunday through Thursday pay a $40 “house fee,” while women who don’t arrive until midnight pay $90. And they keep their tips.
Wold and others say it’s almost impossible to estimate the size of the adult entertainment industry because few companies are publicly traded. He does pay close attention to three that are: Lakewood, Colo.-based VCG Holding and Houston-based Rick’s Caberet, which own clubs, and New Frontier Media, a Boulder, Colo.-based adult film producer and distributor.
All three are profitable.
Rick’s Caberet had $60 million in revenue in its 2008 fiscal year, up from $32 million the year before, Wold said, and he estimates VCG will have $57 million for last year, compared with $40.5 million in FY2007. New Frontier Media generates more than $400 million in consumer buying a year.
Larry Flynt, whose half-billion dollar Hustler empire publishes magazines, produces and distributes films and operates a casino, said he’s continued to do well. But he doesn’t expect those who are solely in the film business to survive.
 
“A lot of the small studios are out of business now, there’s no doubt about that,” Flynt said.
Adult magazines also are struggling along with the larger publishing industry, and have to cut pages like everyone else.
But the economic realities aren’t keeping jobseekers away.
Vivid Entertainment’s Hirsch said the number of women in his business has doubled in the last couple years, with roughly 800 working as adult actresses. “It is more competitive than I’ve seen it in 25 years,” he said.
That doesn’t mean all the newcomers are planning on lengthy careers in the industry.
 
Stone, who has a bachelor’s degree in graphic design, took up dancing four years ago to help pay her student loans. She plans to go to graduate school this year to pursue a master’s in education.
Brown, meanwhile, has a ready answer for those critical of her career choice.
“I have job security,” she said.
tommiedredMarch 22, 2009
#237214
:smiley-rofl:Only you agi.
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:smiley-rofl:Only you agi.
G33kY97March 22, 2009
#237220
time to hit the atm

haha
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time to hit the atm
 
haha
firelizardMarch 22, 2009
#237222
Hmm.... that's a very good point.

I'm not one to go see the rippers, but hey, if it helps the economy...
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Hmm.... that's a very good point.

I'm not one to go see the rippers, but hey, if it helps the economy...
freshMarch 22, 2009
#237235
i went to the strip club the other day. one dancer i met recently just got a job there and at burger king. i was like no wonder why she smelled of flame broiled goodness. haha
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i went to the strip club the other day. one dancer i met recently just got a job there and at burger king. i was like no wonder why she smelled of flame broiled goodness. haha
ELFATHER F50 CIMAMarch 22, 2009
#237241
hahaha for real only you agi:smiley-rofl:
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hahaha for real only you agi:smiley-rofl:
OGMarch 22, 2009
#237244
you know this is the only news article agi has ever read.

"better looking strippers?!?!?! hold on, lemme click that..."
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you know this is the only news article agi has ever read.
 
"better looking strippers?!?!?! hold on, lemme click that..."
20sburningMarch 23, 2009
#237260
love it... and love you for it
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love it... and love you for it
widebody_QMarch 23, 2009
#237337
BLKonBLK98;237244 wrote:you know this is the only news article agi has ever read.

"better looking strippers?!?!?! hold on, lemme click that..."


LOL it didn't say better looking strippers. Thats a conclusion I made. If they have like 5x more applications then usual, they are going to pick the best looking ones. :giggity:

Most of the NYC female strippers are from Brazil or Russia and they just come here to make as much as they can in 3-6 months then they go back home and spend their US dollars. That has a big part to do with why we are in a recession, the government just won't tell you that =)
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[quote=BLKonBLK98;237244]you know this is the only news article agi has ever read.
 
"better looking strippers?!?!?! hold on, lemme click that..."[/quote]
 
LOL it didn't say better looking strippers. Thats a conclusion I made. If they have like 5x more applications then usual, they are going to pick the best looking ones. :giggity:
 
Most of the NYC female strippers are from Brazil or Russia and they just come here to make as much as they can in 3-6 months then they go back home and spend their US dollars. That has a big part to do with why we are in a recession, the government just won't tell you that =)
widebody_QMarch 23, 2009
#237338
fresh;237235 wrote:i went to the strip club the other day. one dancer i met recently just got a job there and at burger king. i was like no wonder why she smelled of flame broiled goodness. haha



LOL there was this beautiful chick that used to work in Burger King by my old job and she would come to work dressed like she was trying to be America's next top model. A couple months later I find her working at the strip joint a few blocks down. After tipping her nice, she would turn my $3 value meal lunch into a king sized combo, daily. :biggthumpup:
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[quote=fresh;237235]i went to the strip club the other day. one dancer i met recently just got a job there and at burger king. i was like no wonder why she smelled of flame broiled goodness. haha[/quote]
 
 
LOL there was this beautiful chick that used to work in Burger King by my old job and she would come to work dressed like she was trying to be America's next top model.  A couple months later I find her working at the strip joint a few blocks down.  After tipping her nice, she would turn my $3 value meal lunch into a king sized combo, daily. :biggthumpup:
t3chniqueMarch 23, 2009
#237371
widebody_Q;237338 wrote:LOL there was this beautiful chick that used to work in Burger King by my old job and she would come to work dressed like she was trying to be America's next top model. A couple months later I find her working at the strip joint a few blocks down. After tipping her nice, she would turn my $3 value meal lunch into a king sized combo, daily. :biggthumpup:
nice work
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[QUOTE=widebody_Q;237338]LOL there was this beautiful chick that used to work in Burger King by my old job and she would come to work dressed like she was trying to be America's next top model.  A couple months later I find her working at the strip joint a few blocks down.  After tipping her nice, she would turn my $3 value meal lunch into a king sized combo, daily. :biggthumpup:[/QUOTE]nice work
VipDoutMarch 23, 2009
#237373
widebody_Q;237338 wrote:LOL there was this beautiful chick that used to work in Burger King by my old job and she would come to work dressed like she was trying to be America's next top model. A couple months later I find her working at the strip joint a few blocks down. After tipping her nice, she would turn my $3 value meal lunch into a king sized combo, daily. :biggthumpup:



Should have taken her home ! :biggthumpup:
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[quote=widebody_Q;237338]LOL there was this beautiful chick that used to work in Burger King by my old job and she would come to work dressed like she was trying to be America's next top model.  A couple months later I find her working at the strip joint a few blocks down.  After tipping her nice, she would turn my $3 value meal lunch into a king sized combo, daily. :biggthumpup:[/quote]


Should have taken her home ! :biggthumpup:
widebody_QMarch 23, 2009
#237381
Bippu PxrLex;237373 wrote:Should have taken her home ! :biggthumpup:


She had more game then I did that night. I never went back to that place cause there was were not enough good looking girls to choose from and the drinks were real expensive.
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[quote=Bippu PxrLex;237373]Should have taken her home ! :biggthumpup:[/quote]
 
She had more game then I did that night.  I never went back to that place cause there was were not enough good looking girls to choose from and the drinks were real expensive.
VIPFlameMarch 25, 2009
#237765
20sburning;237260 wrote:love it... and love you for it


Strip club on our next outing?
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[QUOTE=20sburning;237260]love it... and love you for it[/QUOTE]

Strip club on our next outing?
widebody_QMarch 25, 2009
#237809
All official team GOTHAM meetings are held in strip clubs. :truestory:
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All official team GOTHAM meetings are held in strip clubs.  :truestory:
20sburningMarch 25, 2009
#237834
Next time I make it up to NY... count me in
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Next time I make it up to NY... count me in
vzuptnguyenMarch 25, 2009
#237842
firelizard;237222 wrote:Hmm.... that's a very good point.

I'm not one to go see the rippers, but hey, if it helps the economy...


how can you be so selfish?

i for one, support local girls' college educations.
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[QUOTE=firelizard;237222]Hmm.... that's a very good point.

I'm not one to go see the rippers, but hey, if it helps the economy...[/QUOTE]

how can you be so selfish? 

i for one, support local girls' college educations.
tbrackMarch 31, 2009
#239448
damn If I was a chick maybe I could afford this vip deal again :dance:
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damn If I was a chick maybe I could afford this vip deal again :dance: