Junction Produce BBK

Does anybody have more information on these?  I saw on a website that they retail for $7800 front and rear, which really isn't that bad of a price.t

[img]http://carview-img01.bmcdn.jp/carlife/images/UserDiary/10534493/P1.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.junction-produce.co.jp/user/tt/081006_1.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=waijai;245203]Does anybody have more information on these?  I saw on a website that they retail for $7800 front and rear, which really isn't that bad of a price.t

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Not that bad?  I have to disagree.

I could reproduce those using Wilwood calipers and rotors for that application (or make brackets to adapt if they're not offered) and weld an extra piece of aluminum over the front with "Junction Produce" engraved, and then powdercoated any color for half that price.

i agree and disagree.
 
yeah, you could get somthing silmilar, maybe even better, cheaper. no you could (should) not recreate it. if you don't care enough to pay for the name then you sure as hell shouldn't care enough to knock it off.
 
as far as vip rebranded bbk's it actually is reasonable. other cost about that front or rear.
 
that being said, unless you are building a company car (i.e. jp everything) what's the point?

damn, for 7800 i can get me a car that comes with a big brake kit...

BALLIN'

Well, i have 6 piston front and 4 piston rear GREX BBK on my G35 and that retails for around $6400.  I'm not going to fake the funk if I do get a BBK for the next project whatever it may be.

from what ive been told these are rebadged Rotora's they are made by the same company and have the same stopping power but for Rotora's you can probably get them for a couple thousand cheaper.. your paying for the name.

but i have to admit they are beautiful!

oh man... they do look exactly like rotoras. if that's the case i wouldn't buy them at all... jp car or not. i don't know why but rotora just doen't do it for me. if they were endless like aimgain or mp i could see it, or just about any oher reputable brand...
 
no good reason, just personal bias.

I'd agree, if they're rebadged Rotoras, just go with Rotoras instead.

I gotta admit they look sexy... i'd rather the rotoras as well... lol

Nothing really wrong with Rotoras.  A lot of BBKs "look" the same.  Just like a lot of intakes look the same and brake pads look the same.

Even though it's not confirmed, I still would probably buy the JP ones.

[quote=Bippu Insanity;245346]I'd agree, if they're rebadged Rotoras, just go with Rotoras instead.[/quote]
 
that's not agreeing. agreeing would be:
 
"if they're rebadged rotoras, i'd buy brembos instead."
 
:smiley-rofl:

What's the going rate for most "VIP" brand name BBKs? Like 8K for a complete set? I thought I was looking at the mode parfume ones on a site and they were around 7K as well front and rear.

yeah... looks like you're right. june 08 vipcar had a bbk special and without reading too much into what's included the prices of the branded ones seem to fall in the 6-8k range.

Any inquiries contact Authorized Vendors "jdmpalace" or "AFLS430" for more info.

[quote=mdenoga;245373]Any inquiries contact Authorized Vendors "jdmpalace" or "AFLS430" for more info.[/quote]
thanks but unless there are used ones floating around out there I don't think I'll be paying the price of my car w/engine swap for a bbk.lol
 
used I wouldn't mind paying around 3K for front and rear.  I know I'm only paying for the name but it'll make the camry look that much more ballertastic.lol

[QUOTE=mdenoga;245373]Any inquiries contact Authorized Vendors "jdmpalace" or "AFLS430" for more info.[/QUOTE]

will do...i don't mind paying to do it right

They are nice and all but 7800.00 is alot of money.  I agree with LS14, but i would just rock the wilwood name.

Function over fashion :)

Function over fashion when building a VIP car? whaaaaat

[quote=waijai;245398]Function over fashion when building a VIP car? whaaaaat[/quote]
+1 you got it right.lol :rules:
 
sadly...

i understand with the "VIP Style" in regards to fashion, but 7800.00 before shipping is getting up there with Alcon Brake money.

It's all relative to a persons budget for their build.

Damn, they look nice.  Makes me wish I went w/ chrome/polish brakes instead of gold.

Actually, maybe I should see about fitting my gold BBK I currently have onto the Q...hmmm.  That's going to take some measurements.

[QUOTE=waijai;245833]It's all relative to a persons budget for their build.[/QUOTE]

true. 
I just want to know why?

The Kranze Brakes are 10g's for rebadged endless brakes. 
 
To some, a VIP car must have a BBK or it is not complete. Personally, I don't think it is needed unless your wheels expose the calipers. If thats the case and you don't have a BBK then it will look silly.

[QUOTE=BLKonBLK98;245216]i agree and disagree.
 
yeah, you could get somthing silmilar, maybe even better, cheaper. no you could (should) not recreate it. if you don't care enough to pay for the name then you sure as hell shouldn't care enough to knock it off.
 
as far as vip rebranded bbk's it actually is reasonable. other cost about that front or rear.
 
that being said, unless you are building a company car (i.e. jp everything) what's the point?[/QUOTE]

I wasn't saying I was actually going to do it, just that it would be easy and you could go custom and put any logo of your choice, like an Infiniti/Lexus logo on it and it would look better.  The plain font of the Junction Produce across there kind of makes it look cheap IMO.  Wilwood is a very respected manufacturer of brakes just as Endless, etc.  Paying $3k extra to have a name stamped on the caliper is not  baller, it's bordering on just plain dumb...especially when the other options out there are just as good if not better (or the same damn thing).



[QUOTE=widebody_Q;245989]The Kranze Brakes are 10g's for rebadged endless brakes. 
 
To some, a VIP car must have a BBK or it is not complete. Personally, I don't think it is needed unless your wheels expose the calipers. If thats the case and you don't have a BBK then it will look silly.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this statement completely...if you can't see the calipers, then keep the stockers and run a more aggressive wheel.  If the calipers are going to show...BBK is a must.

[QUOTE=LS14;246034] Paying $3k extra to have a name stamped on the caliper is not  baller, it's bordering on just plain dumb...especially when the other options out there are just as good if not better (or the same damn thing).
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From a functional point of view, yes that's totally true.  If I wear a Hanes T-shirt that cost me $5 that I wear to mow the lawn, why would i want to spend $100 on an designer, fashion T-shirt for the same damn thing.

VIP doesn't make sense.  If you try to use logic, you will have a hard time building a vip car.  There is so much more to it then stance and fitment.  Being a brand ***** is apart of the culture.  Not saying it is always right and should always be followed but it is what it is.

[QUOTE=widebody_Q;246050]VIP doesn't make sense.  If you try to use logic, you will have a hard time building a vip car.  There is so much more to it then stance and fitment.  Being a brand ***** is apart of the culture.  Not saying it is always right and should always be followed but it is what it is.[/QUOTE]

QFT.  Couldn't have said it any better

I think it's all about vision.  You see all the examples of VIP cars from Japan and envision your build based upon the Japanese interpretation of what VIP is.  If it means putting curtains on your windows, tables on your dash, or aggressive dish wheels on your ride to create that vision, then that's all that matters to the individual.

brand w***e goes 2 ways. you can rock everything vip branded or you can rock the actual brands that get rebranded (or better). the orginals get more respect from me personally.
 
that being said i'm not gonna hate on someone else's decision.
 
if i [I]were[/I] to clown it wouldn't be: "you paid $8k for rebadged rotoras", it would be: "you bought rotoras".
 
same thing doesn't apply to other brands that rebadge better parts.

So what does it say about Junction Produce *if* these are infact rebranded Rotoras?

it says the same thing we all know... they rebadge some bs and mark it up. nothing new. not saying that everything they rebadge is bs, but some of it is.

[quote=BLKonBLK98;245363]that's not agreeing. agreeing would be:
 
"if they're rebadged rotoras, i'd buy brembos instead."
 
:smiley-rofl:[/quote]

I was actually referring to what MrKenji said about being rebadged Rotoras and save a couple thousand instead of getting the JP ones.

I would also agree with getting brembos instead.

Most of the VIP guys in Japan go off of the appearance of the caliper and the prestigue in the name brand that's stamped on it.  If you have a Mode Parfume kit, it would make more sense from a VIP stand point to get Mode Parfume re-badged endless brakes then it would to get the normal endless brakes.

Speaking of Mode Parfume, does anybody have that kit for their F50 on the boards?

For me, I personally have a lot of JP stuff on the GS left.  When it came time to addressing my brake kit, at the time I had my heart set on the Endless kit.  If I fast-forward that to today, could I of spent the money needed to get the JP kit?  Probably not?  For me, my Endless Kit was what I really wanted.  The only person I needed to impress was myself.  The JP kit does look pretty sick tho.

[quote=widebody_Q;245989]The Kranze Brakes are 10g's for rebadged endless brakes. 
 
To some, a VIP car must have a BBK or it is not complete. Personally, I don't think it is needed unless your wheels expose the calipers. If thats the case and you don't have a BBK then it will look silly.[/quote]
hence the reason I really want a dish wheel...lol  
 
I was planning on doing wilwoods on the camry regardless because the engine swap is too much for the stock brakes.

[QUOTE]Speaking of Mode Parfume, does anybody have that kit for their F50 on the boards? [/QUOTE]
 
Jaynick808 has had the kit for a while.  He recently painted it.  Looks nice
 
[quote=VIPStyleCars;246122]For me, I personally have a lot of JP stuff on the GS left. When it came time to addressing my brake kit, at the time I had my heart set on the Endless kit. If I fast-forward that to today, could I of spent the money needed to get the JP kit? Probably not? For me, my Endless Kit was what I really wanted. The only person I needed to impress was myself. The JP kit does look pretty sick tho.[/quote]
 
 
There is nothing wrong with that.  Endless brakes are baller.  I was just trying to put logic into something that is not logical if that makes any sense lol

wow....those are sick!!!

[QUOTE=widebody_Q;245989]The Kranze Brakes are 10g's for rebadged endless brakes. 
 
To some, a VIP car must have a BBK or it is not complete. Personally, I don't think it is needed unless your wheels expose the calipers. If thats the case and you don't have a BBK then it will look silly.[/QUOTE]

Do i smell a BBK in your future?!?!...... anyway,i love the look of the JP ones but any infor on how efffective these kits are or they just expensive hub and spindle jewlery?
 i have Supra TT brakes waiting to be put on my car and i had theem powdercoated oem type silver. i a thinking i should have gone more flashy:shrug:

Jdm Palace has this one his car , Had no idea the retail was that much , WOW

I wish I could get me a set of these. Endless rebadged by aimgain lol.  I's still buy a set if I could though.
Retail is  about 9k
[IMG]http://aimgain.net/products/brake_img/main.jpg[/IMG]

^ :biggthumpup:

those are some nice brake set up. has anyone see those 12 pot endless brakes?

There's a few G35 guys with 12-pot brakes...pretty pimp.

12 pot is over kill IMO.  AMG S65's only come with 6 pot.  I'm saying only because that car has over 600hp and weighs over 4400 pounds.  It's not the number or pistons, its the size of them that matters.

Overpriced if you ask me since I know they are just rebadged "other" brakes prob Rotora.

[QUOTE=waijai;246047]From a functional point of view, yes that's totally true.  If I wear a Hanes T-shirt that cost me $5 that I wear to mow the lawn, why would i want to spend $100 on an designer, fashion T-shirt for the same damn thing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=widebody_Q;246050]VIP doesn't make sense.  If you try to use logic, you will have a hard time building a vip car.  There is so much more to it then stance and fitment.  Being a brand ***** is apart of the culture.  Not saying it is always right and should always be followed but it is what it is.[/QUOTE]

I'm just as big a brand ***** as the next guy, but I'm with BLKonBLK98 in that the originals will get more respect from me as well...especially when those look kind of cheap compared to other kits out there.

What I am trying to convey is  that if you can buy the same exact thing that is as good in both quality AND reputation for thousands less, you WOULD be dumb because that money can go to further the cause and make the car that much better all around...be it a kit, better wheels, etc.

I respect your answer LS14 and see your side of it.  But I (and I hope others) don't build my car for anybody else besides myself.  Weather you respect me or not really does not matter (no offense).

I have to say that they do look good rebranded or not but since I'm VIP I would do something ridicioulous and have my personal nickname or my car nickname engraved on them rather then a company. That way it would be like "well your says _____, but my bbk has my name, damn thats VIP!!"

If it's just about looks, then it's just opinions. If it's about performance, quality and reliability, how many of us here are truly qualified to say that rotora are worse than others? I spent three hours interviewing a brake engineer about braking systems and brands, and I still can't say that I am qualified. If I have questions I just call him up. For me, I'll stick to these little guys.

[IMG]http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww53/marksportq/Picture020-3.jpg[/IMG]

Oh, and in case anyone is wondering, the Brembo GTR:

"Exclusivity for the Few
The Brembo GTR kit is not for everybody.  It takes a special enthusiast to understands the small differences that give you just that bit of extra performance advantage.  Additionally, GTR kits are in limited supply, especially during the race season.  Additionally, a GTR kit requires more involvement and understanding on the owners part. 

A complete GTR kit (front/rear) starts at $14,995 MSRP and it goes up from there, depending on application.  Lead time for a GTR kit is approximately 4-6 weeks.  A 50%, non-refundable deposit is required for ordering a GTR system."

[IMG]http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww53/marksportq/gtr_lg.jpg[/IMG]

Looks good marksport, I used to have the red Brembo Gran Turismo kit on my G35, but sold it to a friend to put on his S14.  Awesome kit that I got for a steal.

wow 15k for those, thats does take an  enthusiast for those brembo gtr

I don't like the fact that Brembo doesn't make a rear kit for the F50, I ended up having to find a rear kit with the correct piston sizes and have new hats and adapters/knuckles machined. At the time I was looking for a BBK, only Brembo had a kit. Soon after, everyone else made a kit.

[QUOTE=widebody_Q;246434]12 pot is over kill IMO.  AMG S65's only come with 6 pot.  I'm saying only because that car has over 600hp and weighs over 4400 pounds.  It's not the number or pistons, its the size of them that matters.[/QUOTE]

w220 s65's came with an 8-pot made by brembo setup, with a 390mm (~15.4") rotor. mercedes calls it a "composite" rotor, but it's really just a 2pc rotor, like every other aftermarket brake manufacturers'.

w221's come with something else entirely -- i think it's a twin piston sliding setup, but i'm not sure what the rotor sizes are, but they are also "composite".

[QUOTE=marksport;246839]Oh, and in case anyone is wondering, the Brembo GTR:

"Exclusivity for the Few
The Brembo GTR kit is not for everybody.  It takes a special enthusiast to understands the small differences that give you just that bit of extra performance advantage.  Additionally, GTR kits are in limited supply, especially during the race season.  Additionally, a GTR kit requires more involvement and understanding on the owners part. 

A complete GTR kit (front/rear) starts at $14,995 MSRP and it goes up from there, depending on application.  Lead time for a GTR kit is approximately 4-6 weeks.  A 50%, non-refundable deposit is required for ordering a GTR system."

[IMG]http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww53/marksportq/gtr_lg.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

i think a lot of race teams use these -- i remember seeing a few of these brembo GTR calipers in photos of speed world challenge cars.

wow those are sexy(junction produce)

[QUOTE=cheez80;246875]w220 s65's came with an 8-pot made by brembo setup, with a 390mm (~15.4") rotor. mercedes calls it a "composite" rotor, but it's really just a 2pc rotor, like every other aftermarket brake manufacturers'.

w221's come with something else entirely -- i think it's a twin piston sliding setup, but i'm not sure what the rotor sizes are, but they are also "composite".



i think a lot of race teams use these -- i remember seeing a few of these brembo GTR calipers in photos of speed world challenge cars.[/QUOTE]



Yes these are mostly for the rich or race teams. These can take extreme heat where most other street brakes will have faded long time ago. Other downside is that they need to be rebuilt more often. The stock brembo on my porsche were in perfect condition even after 22 years of use.

These would go pretty well with my JP wheels ;)

jp / Grexx are both made by JBT 
just painted different color
7800 for JBT BBK....hell no

Who really knows who makes whose calipers?  Where does all this (mis)information come from?

those are straight baller! 
 
added to the list :dance:
 
but they are expensive thou for a big brake kit 
 
i didnt even pay that for my ENDLESS BBK for 240

man fuck that lol ill just go buy some rotoras and make them look like that caliper!! im sure i can do it for ALOT cheaper then that price. Shit i hope they throw in a free can of JP oil too :) lol

I'd be interested to know who actually makes the Junction BBK.

If it's Rotora, that would be too bad. Rotora is the iForged of the BBK world.

[QUOTE=SoCalSC4;252834]I'd be interested to know who actually makes the Junction BBK.
 
If it's Rotora, that would be too bad. Rotora is the iForged of the BBK world.[/QUOTE]
 
JBT makes the brakes ... its a few post up

[QUOTE=MR.J;252994]JBT makes the brakes ... its a few post up[/QUOTE]

Where can this be confirmed?  Is it just hearsay?