Hella Fail

I'm stumped boys, I'm at an impasse.

I'm tucking tire in the front and I can't turn. I'm sunk big time and it's not helping at this point, it's chewing up my fender really badly, undriveable. I don't want to raise the car but I found that if I raise it by just a few mm it'll be driveable. But I still don't know if I can go flush. I can't stretch the tires because the wheels are narrow (7" and 8"), and I've got the smallest tires I could find on there.

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This wheel is 4mm more aggressive than my Viennas, and the tire isn't stretched (195/45 on a 7") I guess it was a couple mm lower or compressed or something and it caught an edge and flipped it. I could have avoided that by pressing the inside flush, that was totally my bad, but touching heavily was unavoidable regardless.

But even with my Viennas, the fitment is mm away from ruining the fender if the suspension compresses even a little, so it's barely driveable at all. What can I do? I really want to tuck in the front, and daily it, and if possible be flush.
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:pat:

cut the inside of the fender?
 
or weld it together.

If I cut it, it'll flip and get chewed up for sure. I need to make it smooth and pliable but resilient enough to hold its shape. I need rubber fenders.

I've been staring at front fitment on other cars on coilovers and it looks like they all have the fender lips angled outwards, which I could do with my fender roller, but I love the look of stock unmolested fenders too much, this car will look stupid with angled wheel openings....  I'm having a breakdown.

Roll fender flat and stretch the tire as much as you can. Don't turn the wheel when going up a driveway. Hit it at an angle going straight. Also set the coilover preload higher so the front doesn't compress that much.

The real inconvenient truth.... You must have stretched tyres to pull off flush :(
 
As you turn the wheel, the car should raise to the point where the stretched tyre just clears the fender...
 
Either that or just limit your turning.....

if you want flush and hot stance, then youll have to stretch tires, and roll/pull fenders. thats a guarantee. you can get flush and have wack stance, but being a member for so long im sure you know a majority of this stuff already. so make up your decision and go for it.
btw, you should gotten wider wheels all around, that is another major aspect that smaller cars forget about when pulling off sick fitment.
keep us updated.
Charley

I think I'll just raise the car a few MM. It sucks, but I'll go for the happy medium rather than fail one thing miserably to do something else with mediocrity.

Maybe once I actually have money I'll get a brand new set of wheels made to specs that actually fit perfectly.

now that i think about it i had the same problem with my sc400 but my buddy took a pipe and rolled and flared the fuck out of it i chipped up some paint but that was solved by going to the Vietnamese nail shop and getting some fingernail polish  that matched the paint
oh btw the sound of the fender bending made my stomach turn but it turned out ok

well it doesnt have to be that low to look good
 
I say a few mm up ( but still tuck tire) and paint the bottom blk lip you got on the front white.....giving it a lower illusion.

"Style hurts"

Happened to me when I had teins and unrolled fenders ..... 


like chrispy said roll flat

yea man i did the same shit to my car about a year ago. i still havent got around to fixing it but i was hoping to reweld that crack shut and flattening the lip out.

Just make super wide turns and never attempt a u-turn

Damn... sorry to see this happen... Same thing happened to me when I was on springs... 
 
I learned how to go around the block if a u-turn was necessary... :shrug:
 
or Just drive in reverse (reasons why I put HIDs in my reverse light housings :saiyancrunks: )

[QUOTE=charley240sx;256827]if you want flush and hot stance, then youll have to stretch tires, and roll/pull fenders. thats a guarantee. you can get flush and have wack stance, but being a member for so long im sure you know a majority of this stuff already. so make up your decision and go for it.
btw, you should gotten wider wheels all around, that is another major aspect that smaller cars forget about when pulling off sick fitment.
keep us updated.
Charley[/QUOTE]

Wider wheels =more camber to fit right?

My car is kinda small as well but I figured I could do 8 inches wide up front and run a 215/35 tire. But I don't think that tire size is small enough to stretch and after reading this thread I'm wondering if I shoulda just say screw traction and get an 8.5 wide with more camber upfront.

Last year i had 245's in the front of my car and it rubbed allll the time and i cracked my fender in three places. I just had this  fixed yesterday so i see where u are coming from! I this year i kept the same 9.5+30 in the front with a set of 235 nankangs and a put a 15 mil spacer in the front to make it madd flush and now i cant go any lower! I could run a 225 in the front, but i tried that allready and im tired of bubbling tires evrry 2 weeks. Im about to reluctantly take off the 15 mil spacers and put on a 5mill and slam it again. I normally would b wanting to have the. Car 7mil higher and ride flush as opposed to lower and sunken in but this ride height is bothering me more and more evryyday. With your width and offset you dont have many options

[QUOTE=CamryVIP;256898]Wider wheels =more camber to fit right?

My car is kinda small as well but I figured I could do 8 inches wide up front and run a 215/35 tire. But I don't think that tire size is small enough to stretch and after reading this thread I'm wondering if I shoulda just say screw traction and get an 8.5 wide with more camber upfront.[/QUOTE]

I would recommend this. As you can see in my pics I still have a lot of room for a wider wheel - I probably could run a 9" with a 205 and it would be flush and clear the fender at the same time. The downside is the camber as you say, but -4.5 (what I'm at there) isn't really that bad, in fact it looks pretty cool...

The most camber I wanna run is -5 so if I can do that with 9 wide upfront I may go for that I'm just waiting on Fred to get back to me on how to measure my wheel wells to see how wide I can go.

Origianlly Posted by firelizard
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well, you are here...

*shrug*

I think people - myself included, were just expecting a Vip style car, based on how the thread was going 
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 well, you are here too.... *shrug*
 i guess i was expecting something more vip styled from you after all this time.
       
 no offense man, but just give up trying to make this car vipstyled.  if you got some type of attachment to it, then just set it up as a practical daily and focus all efforts on a better car to represent luxury. no matter how many post you have  its sometimes hard to take your critisizm when you havent produced much of a product that resembles the style yourself.
 and this can go to anyone else who talks the talk but cant walk the walk. you all know who you are.
i will now put on my flame suit.  so bring it on if you must.

[QUOTE=m0nster986;256841]"Style hurts"[/QUOTE]

haha +1


Rolled fenders are required and a pull helps a lot, otherwise more caster, more stretch, increase spring rates or increase sway bar thickness.

what kind of caster can you get in front wheel drive cars anyway?

A few MM is nothing, just raise it a bit, and roll the fenders flush as possible. On my old Civic (comparisons sake, it's the same class car, prolly the same quality metal) after rolling the fenders, eventually they "flared" out just by being rubbed by the tires when turning and they never flipped like that.  If the metal is thin like on the Civic's it should work out.

this thread has alot of useful comments for me thanks guys!!! and good luck with your car yo!!!

[QUOTE=aftermathacura;256935]Origianlly Posted by firelizard
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well, you are here...

*shrug*

I think people - myself included, were just expecting a Vip style car, based on how the thread was going 
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 well, you are here too.... *shrug*
 i guess i was expecting something more vip styled from you after all this time.
       
 no offense man, but just give up trying to make this car vipstyled.  if you got some type of attachment to it, then just set it up as a practical daily and focus all efforts on a better car to represent luxury. no matter how many post you have  its sometimes hard to take your critisizm when you havent produced much of a product that resembles the style yourself.
 and this can go to anyone else who talks the talk but cant walk the walk. you all know who you are.
i will now put on my flame suit.  so bring it on if you must.[/QUOTE]

Or maybe I've already accepted the car for what it is and what it can (and can't) be, and you're a year or two late.

o jeez

[QUOTE=firelizard;257073]Or maybe I've already accepted the car for what it is and what it can (and can't) be, and you're a year or two late.[/QUOTE]
im not really late.  ive just bit my lip for so long and even stopped posting pics since your comment.  so forgive me if everytime i see a car posted that really dosent represent this site much i think of what was said to me by a moderator.

[QUOTE=aftermathacura;257615]im not really late. ive just bit my lip for so long and even stopped posting pics since your comment. so forgive me if everytime i see a car posted that really dosent represent this site much i think of what was said to me by a moderator.[/QUOTE]
 
I dont think it should matter what kind of car he has ,as long as he has knowledge of what he is saying....some  kats have or HAD projects that are considered "V.I.P" but they dont know crap about the car or the life style ,  you should stop hating on the guy for what he has...theres alot of guys on this site that dont even have the platforms anymore but they still chat it up on here...poeple move on to diffrent flavors:shrug:  .. But to each is own.  if you wanna hate then he most be doing something right..and thats "v.i.p" in its self
 
or maybe i dont have room to talk because I drive a classic...Oppps..i'll hold my comments massa:pat:

yea ppl need to just accept the fact that its a clean car for what it is. I dont care if this site was called CLASSIC MUSTANGS.COM or whatever. I thought we all grew up and got over the fact that we can just appreciate a clean car for what it is.
 
keep it up firelizard. Lemme know if you ever figure out how to fix that rip on the fender man.

im really not trying to hate because thats far from my style. his car has got to be the nicest one i have ever seen like that. im just giving the same medicine that was given to me right back.
i came here with more than enough knowledge of my own but still got told to join a dub site in the begining because my thoughts on car building where not 100% vipstyle, so when this car keeps poping up on here.  all i can think of is what he said to me.

''shrug''  well you are here......

its all good though,lets not get out of hand with this, i was just speaking my mind, the same thing he did back then.

[QUOTE=aftermathacura;257665]im really not trying to hate because thats far from my style. his car has got to be the nicest one i have ever seen like that. im just giving the same medicine that was given to me right back.
i came here with more than enough knowledge of my own but still got told to join a dub site in the begining because my thoughts on car building where not 100% vipstyle, so when this car keeps poping up on here. all i can think of is what he said to me.
 
''shrug'' well you are here......
 
its all good though,lets not get out of hand with this, i was just speaking my mind, the same thing he did back then.[/QUOTE]
 
Sorry to hear that kats told yah to join the dub club...you have a great platform ....its your car and you put the money into it so you should take it like a grain of salt , when someone says something about your car...i dont want it to get out of hand because you dont want to see me mad[URL="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.stareclips.com/14721_d.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.stareclips.com/peter_from_family_guy_as_incredible_hulk.asp&usg=__Dd1wr0PjQakR3-TOQbYIMMPk7_Y=&h=600&w=800&sz=77&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=VKXAukCkvS9olM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfamily%2Bguy%2Bhulk%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1"][IMG]http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:VKXAukCkvS9olM:http://www.stareclips.com/14721_d.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
 
i didnt know the whole story on it so my bad if he was trash talking first then i understand where your coming from....i just hate when poeple hate ....but if they are giving there opinon then you got to take it like that...

Well, it is fair what he's saying. I probably had told him he was on the wrong track at some point, if he was aiming for Vip. Personally I've learned so much from when I started, and I remember back then I was so sure I could make a Protege that could pass for a Vip car, but then I realized that wasn't really what I wanted - to be stuck under one label. I love being able to take off a set of  Vienna Dish with stretched tire, and throw on some fat Azenis on lightweight wheels, take the car to the track, then come home and go cruising and have the car look good all the way. That's what really makes me happy.

So I don't want to have any bad blood here, if I offended you earlier Aftermath, I apologize. I'm pretty sure I've been more than impressed with your car since. I went back to that thread and I see what happened. I think that we can both agree that if you had gone with 20x7.5 hella sunk like you initially planned it would have turned out as nice as it is now =p



[B]In other news[/B], I "fixed" the fender lip for now, by bending it back and rolling it as flat as possible. It's still crinkly though so I'll just go get a fresh one at the wrecker and re-do the whole thing.
I rolled the other fender some more and gave it a slight angle outwards that helped with clearance enormously. I think I can live with even a little bit more outwards angle if it stays subtle, which means I may be able to lower the car back down.

Part Shop Max fender roller ftw!!!

There will be big things happening in the rear fitment department as well. Due to the crap ass design of the Mazda quarter panel, the inner wheel well is nearly horizontal right at the opening, which means no room to tuck, regardless of flushness. Solution? REMOVE!! haha.
Inner wheel well radius, coming to a 323 near you =)

daaamn. i always fear that bad rubbing will do something kind of like this.

my GS rubs pretty bad on the daily up and down my driveway with 9 +27 and 235/35s but i dont want to go down to 225/35 and im already sunk so i dont want mroe camber. so i just live with it..lucky the guards are rolled from factory and i got them rolled even more, so the tyre cant 'grab' it just rubs over the fender edge.

what size tire do you have on the back...?

i think you should have gotten wider wheels if possible. i have the same dilemma so im going to switch to a wider wheel.

on a brighter note. nice front bumper! although i think you should paint your lip/lower front

can u bend that inner lip up into the fender and hammer it flat? ive done it on civics before and it works great. and you dont get the flare like you would from rolling it.

ps... damn! thats the same car??? i remember it from a couple years agom seein it now is crazy! looks awesome man.

wider wheels = tighter stretch = more clearance where it matters

I secretly hope I hit a massive expansion joint in the road, write-off both front wheels, and get 16x8.5s with the insurance money =P