Thread #18025

Are you kidding me?

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KevLovesMJuly 9, 2009
#257224

Are you kidding me?

:signdammit: I been on the phone with various wheel companies and they're givin' me the bad news over and over.

The most aggressive offsets that can be applied on my m35x are 20 x 9 all around with a 3" lip in the rear and 2" lip in the fronts. Anybody else with AWD here? Is this the best I can do?
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:signdammit: I been on the phone with various wheel companies and they're givin' me the bad news over and over. 
 
The most aggressive offsets that can be applied on my m35x are 20 x 9 all around with a 3" lip in the rear and 2" lip in the fronts. Anybody else with AWD here? Is this the best I can do?
widebody_QJuly 9, 2009
#257239
AWD sucks on infiniti :(

Thats the best you can do unless the faces curve out words to give you more lip. You can always get body work done to fit more aggressive sizes.
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AWD sucks on infiniti :( 
 
Thats the best you can do unless the faces curve out words to give you more lip.  You can always get body work done to fit more aggressive sizes.
DominikJuly 9, 2009
#257251
Who cares about lip size? Seriously? is that what is most important to you when ordering your wheels?

You need to be looking at OFFSETS, and widths. Lip size means nothing if the end result is sunken and not flush. So instead of asking what lip size they are telling you that you can fit, ask them what the offsets will be!


Also, wheel manufacturers are not really clued up with the idea of stretching tyres, adding camber and other techniques used to get flush fitment these days. Whatever they say is the max with rolled guards; you can probably take another 20mm off those offsets with stretched tyres and mild camber.
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Who cares about lip size? Seriously? is that what is most important to you when ordering your wheels?
 
You need to be looking at OFFSETS, and widths. Lip size means nothing if the end result is sunken and not flush. So instead of asking what lip size they are telling you that you can fit, ask them what the offsets will be!
 
 
Also, wheel manufacturers are not really clued up with the idea of stretching tyres, adding camber and other techniques used to get flush fitment these days. Whatever they say is the max with rolled guards; you can probably take another 20mm off those offsets with stretched tyres and mild camber.
widebody_QJuly 9, 2009
#257300
^x2

If the wheels fit perfectly on the car, the lip size doesn't matter. No one is going to get on their knees with a ruler to messure your lip. Then again, your from Queens and I know how the haters are LOL!!
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^x2
 
If the wheels fit perfectly on the car, the lip size doesn't matter.  No one is going to get on their knees with a ruler to messure your lip.  Then again, your from Queens and I know how the haters are LOL!!
KevLovesMJuly 9, 2009
#257321
thank god, i thought my lips had to be so big i could fit my puppy in it. Although it would be nice..thanks guys.
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thank god, i thought my lips had to be so big i could fit my puppy in it. Although it would be nice..thanks guys.
Rodneyc77July 9, 2009
#257379
I don't know about you guys... but lip size is very important to me (but only on my lady friends :rules: )


x4... I'm with the veteran's posts above...
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I don't know about you guys... but lip size is very important to me (but only on my lady friends :rules: )
 
 
x4... I'm with the veteran's posts above...
toyotabbJuly 16, 2009
#258771
x5 im with Dominik on that one as well. As long as you dont end up with the dreded sunken wheel look. All should be good. And also on the awd issue good luck with the wheel fitment all togeather. I had a evo and it was a nightmare. But I got it done.

And beware as far as i know for most awd cars you can not run diffrent width wheels on the car. But you can use diffrent offsets on the front and rear that will help you gain a wider lip on some wheels. Although that shouldnt be that important. What wheels were you looking to get that were 20x9 all around anyway?
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x5 im with Dominik on that one as well. As long as you dont end up with the dreded sunken wheel look. All should be good. And also on the awd issue good luck with the wheel fitment all togeather. I had a evo and it was a nightmare. But I got it done.  

And beware as far as i know for most awd cars you can not run diffrent width wheels on the car. But you can use diffrent offsets on the front and rear that will help you gain a wider lip on some wheels. Although that shouldnt be that important. What wheels were you looking to get that were 20x9 all around anyway?
OCKlasseJuly 16, 2009
#258775
toyotabb;258771 wrote:And beware as far as i know for all awd cars you can not run diffrent width wheels on the car.


Lamborghini Muricelago? Porsche Turbo? Bugatti Veyron?

All of these cars are AWD and they all have staggered wheels...
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[QUOTE=toyotabb;258771]And beware as far as i know for all awd cars you can not run diffrent width wheels on the car.[/QUOTE]

Lamborghini Muricelago? Porsche Turbo? Bugatti Veyron?

All of these cars are AWD and they all have staggered wheels...
toyotabbJuly 16, 2009
#258776
OCKlasse;258775 wrote:Lamborghini Muricelago? Porsche Turbo? Bugatti Veyron?

All of these cars are AWD and they all have staggered wheels...


Staggerd widths or staggard offsets? Ive seen many of mitsu trans blow cause the awd cand handle the diffrent amounts of grip going to the rear wheels. Was my bros bigest $2800 costly mistake after having to get some trans work done.

I believe is diffrent of diffrent awd systems so i assume some cars can handle it.
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[QUOTE=OCKlasse;258775]Lamborghini Muricelago? Porsche Turbo? Bugatti Veyron?

All of these cars are AWD and they all have staggered wheels...[/QUOTE]

Staggerd widths or staggard offsets? Ive seen many of mitsu trans blow cause the awd cand handle the diffrent amounts of grip going to the rear wheels. Was my bros bigest $2800 costly mistake after having to get some trans work done. 

I believe is diffrent of diffrent awd systems so i assume some cars can handle it.
toyotabbJuly 16, 2009
#258779
Heres what tire rack site says:

"This necessitates that four-wheel drive and all-wheel drive vehicles use tires that are very closely matched. This is because different diameter tires roll a different number of times each mile as a result of the variations in their circumferences. Tire diameter variations can be caused by accidentally using different sized tires, tires with different tread designs, tires made by different manufacturers, different inflation pressures or even tires worn to different tread depths.


As an example of different tire diameters resulting from tires worn to different tread depths, we'll compare two 225/45R17-sized tires, a new tire with its original tread depth of 10/32-inch and a second tire worn to 8/32-inch of remaining tread depth. The new 225/45R17-sized tire has a calculated diameter of 24.97", a circumference of 78.44" and will roll 835 times each mile. The same tire worn to 8/32-inch of remaining tread depth is calculated to be 1/8" shorter with a diameter of 24.84", have a circumference of 78.04" and will roll 839 times per mile. While the difference of 1/8" in overall diameter doesn't seem excessive, the resulting 4 revolutions per mile difference can place a continuous strain on the tires and vehicle's driveline. Obviously, the greater the difference in the tires' circumferences, the greater the resulting strain.
This makes maintaining the vehicle manufacturer's recommended tire inflation pressures and using "matched" tires on all wheel positions necessary procedures to reduce strain on the vehicle's driveline. Using "matched" tires means all four tires are the same brand, design and tread depth. Mixing tire brands, tread designs and tread depths may cause components in the vehicle's driveline to fail.
Here are recommendations from some of the manufactures that the Tire Rack currently serves for matching the tires used on their four-wheel drive and all-wheel drive vehicles. Additional recommendations from other Original Equipment Vehicle Manufacturers is pending.

Audi As published in their vehicle owner's manual, "rolling radius of all 4 tires must remain the same" or within 4/32-inch of each other in remaining tread depth.
Porsche Cayenne within 30% of the other tire on the same axle's remaining treadwear.
Subaru Within 1/4-inch of tire circumference or about 2/32-inch of each other in remaining tread depth."


From what ive dealt with im sure the (from what ive seen through the many tires i have mounted) that the wider the tire goes the thicker the side wall gets even if the side walls are the same size.

I guess if you could pull of the same width tire on all 4 wheels with some streching then no harm no foul to the awd. Once again that all denpends on the awd system.
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Heres what tire rack site says:

"This necessitates that four-wheel drive and all-wheel drive vehicles use tires that are very closely matched. This is because different diameter tires roll a different number of times each mile as a result of the variations in their circumferences. Tire diameter variations can be caused by accidentally using different sized tires, tires with different tread designs, tires made by different manufacturers, different inflation pressures or even tires worn to different tread depths.


As an example of different tire diameters resulting from tires worn to different tread depths, we'll compare two 225/45R17-sized tires, a new tire with its original tread depth of 10/32-inch and a second tire worn to 8/32-inch of remaining tread depth. The new 225/45R17-sized tire has a calculated diameter of 24.97", a circumference of 78.44" and will roll 835 times each mile. The same tire worn to 8/32-inch of remaining tread depth is calculated to be 1/8" shorter with a diameter of 24.84", have a circumference of 78.04" and will roll 839 times per mile. While the difference of 1/8" in overall diameter doesn't seem excessive, the resulting 4 revolutions per mile difference can place a continuous strain on the tires and vehicle's driveline. Obviously, the greater the difference in the tires' circumferences, the greater the resulting strain.
This makes maintaining the vehicle manufacturer's recommended tire inflation pressures and using "matched" tires on all wheel positions necessary procedures to reduce strain on the vehicle's driveline. Using "matched" tires means all four tires are the same brand, design and tread depth. Mixing tire brands, tread designs and tread depths may cause components in the vehicle's driveline to fail.
Here are recommendations from some of the manufactures that the Tire Rack currently serves for matching the tires used on their four-wheel drive and all-wheel drive vehicles. Additional recommendations from other Original Equipment Vehicle Manufacturers is pending.

Audi As published in their vehicle owner's manual, "rolling radius of all 4 tires must remain the same" or within 4/32-inch of each other in remaining tread depth. 
Porsche Cayenne within 30% of the other tire on the same axle's remaining treadwear. 
Subaru Within 1/4-inch of tire circumference or about 2/32-inch of each other in remaining tread depth."


From what ive dealt with im sure the (from what ive seen through the many tires i have mounted) that the wider the tire goes the thicker the side wall gets even if the side walls are the same size. 

I guess if you could pull of the same width tire on all 4 wheels with some streching then no harm no foul to the awd. Once again that all denpends on the awd system.
OCKlasseJuly 16, 2009
#258792
Staggered widths.

You think the Murcielago is running a 335 in the front? :smiley-rofl:
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Staggered widths.

You think the Murcielago is running a 335 in the front? :smiley-rofl:
toyotabbJuly 16, 2009
#258795
Nope lol. But damn if it only could lol. I'd be scared of the rear width and more scared of the numbers that beast would be rocking to need that much grip!!!!
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Nope lol. But damn if it only could lol. I'd be scared of the rear width and more scared of the numbers that beast would be rocking to need that much grip!!!!
RotaryAE86July 16, 2009
#258810
width does not matter as long as front and rear wheel/tire combo is the same overall diameter.
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width does not matter as long as front and rear wheel/tire combo is the same overall diameter.
toyotabbJuly 17, 2009
#258819
Thanks Rotary. That's what I was getting at in way less words lol.
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Thanks Rotary. That's what I was getting at in way less words lol.
KevLovesMJuly 17, 2009
#258849
Thanks for the help guys, as for wheel choices I have no idea. But I need something sick. I might be switching over to another car though (not VIP). we'll see what happens.
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Thanks for the help guys, as for wheel choices I have no idea. But I need something sick. I might be switching over to another car though (not VIP). we'll see what happens.