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Nissan cuts the top 2 cars in its' lineup

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tbrackAugust 21, 2010
#339170

Nissan cuts the top 2 cars in its' lineup

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This year, it was announced that Nissan will cease production of its two highest models, the Cima (aka Infiniti Q45) and the President, leaving the Fuga atop the company's lineup. It is a sad end for a very long and noble tradition of pioneering Japanese luxury sedans.

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The story begins in 1963 when Nissan introduced its first real luxury sedan, the Cedric Special 50 series. This was a longer-wheelbase and more ornate version of the first Cedric that had been introduced in 1960. It was powered by a 2.8-litre straight-six, the first such engine from Nissan. It was indeed the first real luxury sedan and an indicator of the progress being made. Soon, cars like the Prince Grand Gloria, Toyota Crown Eight and Mitsubishi Debonair followed.

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Toyota had introduced the Crown Eight in 1964, its first V8-powered luxury sedan, which would be replaced by the Century three years later. Nissan had however raised things a notch in the meantime when in 1965, it introduced the first President, the H150 series. It was the biggest, most powerful and most luxurious car built in Japan to date at the time. Power came from a 3.0-litre straight-six or a 4.0-litre V8. Nissan introduced the second-generation, Pininfarina-styled 130 series Cedric in the same year. Prince Motors, which Nissan would merge with the next year, had its Skyline and Gloria with OHC straight-six while Toyota had introduced the M-series six-cylinder engine in the Crown.

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In 1973, Nissan introduced the H250 series President. Its styling aped contemporary American norms but was the same basic car underneath. A Sovereign trim level, Y44 4.4-litre V8 and rectangular headlights would be changes to this car over the years, and it remained in production until 1990. This is no surprise given that the first-generation Toyota Century ran from 1967 to 1997 with facelifts in 1973 and 1982, and the first-generation Mitsubishi Debonair ran from 1964 to 1986 with numerous running changes (e.g. Executive SE trim level and the ubiquitous 2.6-litre four replacing the original 2.0-litre six!). The Mitsubishi Jeep had an even longer run- from 1954 to 1998, while the 40 Series Land Cruiser ran from 1960 to 1984.

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In response to Toyota's Celsior aka Lexus LS400, Nissan developed its own export-oriented luxury sedan in the Infiniti Q45. The new car was the basis for the all-new President that broke cover in 1990, the HG50 would serve as Nissan's domestic flagship until 2003. It basically is a stretched Q45 with a more regal grille, but a better car than the second-gen Q45 aka Cima.

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And so, the next President came in 2003, based once more on the Cima/Q45. The big Nissan was built in small numbers, which have dwindled even more in recent times. Furthermore, there isn't too much other than styling touches and longer wheelbase to differ it from the Q45 (the 5.6-litre V8 would have helped so it would go head-on with Toyota's more exclusive V12 Century).

Here ends a tradition, sad to say. But Nissan was a pioneer of Japanese luxury cars, which have a longer tradition than the average car guy outside Japan would realise. The President perhaps lost some of its exclusivity/uniqueness when it became a Q45-based car, in contrast to the Toyota Century which became an even more exclusive and unique car when it was totally renewed.

Toyota Century:

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More info and pics:
http://en.wakopedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Century

Source: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4971031-Farewell-Nissan-President-a-Japanese-tradition-ends
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Copied from NICO.

This year, it was announced that Nissan will cease production of its two highest models, the Cima (aka Infiniti Q45) and the President, leaving the Fuga atop the company's lineup. It is a sad end for a very long and noble tradition of pioneering Japanese luxury sedans.

[img]http://www.earlydatsun.com/history5065c.jpg[/img]

The story begins in 1963 when Nissan introduced its first real luxury sedan, the Cedric Special 50 series. This was a longer-wheelbase and more ornate version of the first Cedric that had been introduced in 1960. It was powered by a 2.8-litre straight-six, the first such engine from Nissan. It was indeed the first real luxury sedan and an indicator of the progress being made. Soon, cars like the Prince Grand Gloria, Toyota Crown Eight and Mitsubishi Debonair followed.

[img]http://www.earlydatsun.com/nissan150side.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.earlydatsun.com/nissan150interior.jpg[/img]

Toyota had introduced the Crown Eight in 1964, its first V8-powered luxury sedan, which would be replaced by the Century three years later. Nissan had however raised things a notch in the meantime when in 1965, it introduced the first President, the H150 series. It was the biggest, most powerful and most luxurious car built in Japan to date at the time. Power came from a 3.0-litre straight-six or a 4.0-litre V8. Nissan introduced the second-generation, Pininfarina-styled 130 series Cedric in the same year. Prince Motors, which Nissan would merge with the next year, had its Skyline and Gloria with OHC straight-six while Toyota had introduced the M-series six-cylinder engine in the Crown.

[img]http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B22038-4.jpg[/img]

In 1973, Nissan introduced the H250 series President. Its styling aped contemporary American norms but was the same basic car underneath. A Sovereign trim level, Y44 4.4-litre V8 and rectangular headlights would be changes to this car over the years, and it remained in production until 1990. This is no surprise given that the first-generation Toyota Century ran from 1967 to 1997 with facelifts in 1973 and 1982, and the first-generation Mitsubishi Debonair ran from 1964 to 1986 with numerous running changes (e.g. Executive SE trim level and the ubiquitous 2.6-litre four replacing the original 2.0-litre six!). The Mitsubishi Jeep had an even longer run- from 1954 to 1998, while the 40 Series Land Cruiser ran from 1960 to 1984.

[img]http://history.nissan.co.jp/PRESIDENT/9812PRESIDENTMC/LARGE/IMAGES/l-sov-c.jpg[/img]

In response to Toyota's Celsior aka Lexus LS400, Nissan developed its own export-oriented luxury sedan in the Infiniti Q45. The new car was the basis for the all-new President that broke cover in 1990, the HG50 would serve as Nissan's domestic flagship until 2003. It basically is a stretched Q45 with a more regal grille, but a better car than the second-gen Q45 aka Cima.

[img]http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/6446/800px2009nissanpresiden.jpg[/img]

And so, the next President came in 2003, based once more on the Cima/Q45. The big Nissan was built in small numbers, which have dwindled even more in recent times. Furthermore, there isn't too much other than styling touches and longer wheelbase to differ it from the Q45 (the 5.6-litre V8 would have helped so it would go head-on with Toyota's more exclusive V12 Century).

Here ends a tradition, sad to say. But Nissan was a pioneer of Japanese luxury cars, which have a longer tradition than the average car guy outside Japan would realise. The President perhaps lost some of its exclusivity/uniqueness when it became a Q45-based car, in contrast to the Toyota Century which became an even more exclusive and unique car when it was totally renewed. 

[b]Toyota Century:[/b]

[img]http://designcrack.com/v2/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/toyota-century.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/7119/century19cg.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/3820/century35gq.jpg[/img]

More info and pics:
[url]http://en.wakopedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Century[/url]

Source: [url]http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4971031-Farewell-Nissan-President-a-Japanese-tradition-ends[/url]
Green PouponAugust 21, 2010
#339177
That sucks. It will no doubt come back in the near future as a boring streamlined version of everything else on the road.
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That sucks.  It will no doubt come back in the near future as a boring streamlined version of everything else on the road.
jaynick808August 21, 2010
#339179
:sad: boooo hisssssssssssss
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:sad: boooo hisssssssssssss
fash00August 21, 2010
#339182
That sucks
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That sucks
MR.JAugust 21, 2010
#339192
wow. I thought it was only a rumor. Didnt they stop making the Q45 in the US and replaced it with the Mseries anyways?

btw the 73 president is tits.
Really classy specialy for those years that it came out.
Sucks to hear that.
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wow. I thought it was only a rumor. Didnt they stop making the Q45 in the US and replaced it with the Mseries anyways? 
 
btw the 73 president is tits.
Really classy specialy for those years that it came out. 
Sucks to hear that.
CamryVIPAugust 21, 2010
#339195
Toyota is king! Sorry for your loss nissan lovers
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Toyota is king! Sorry for your loss nissan lovers
tbrackAugust 23, 2010
#339400
Don't know if it is official or not. The source doesn't have a source so who knows.
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Don't know if it is official or not.  The source doesn't have a source so who knows.
widebody_QAugust 24, 2010
#339499
The car has been dead over here for 4 years. We stopped getting the Q45 in the US since 2006 and we never got the President so it doesnt matter. I was hoping they would announce a new Cima to come out in 2012 in Japan
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The car has been dead over here for 4 years.  We stopped getting the Q45 in the US since 2006 and we never got the President so it doesnt matter.  I was hoping they would announce a new Cima to come out in 2012 in Japan
tbrackAugust 24, 2010
#339618
Well this just means any hope of a new Q45 being released is diminished.
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Well this just means any hope of a new Q45 being released is diminished.
F.L.S.August 24, 2010
#339625
Eh, oh well. I was hoping to see a new, larger, nicer Cima too, but maybe one day, maybe not.
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Eh, oh well. I was hoping to see a new, larger, nicer Cima too, but maybe one day, maybe not.
DamicciAugust 24, 2010
#339626
Yeah read that and I am not a fan of how the New M56 looks. like a Tiburon on steroids.
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Yeah read that and I am not a fan of how the New M56 looks. like a Tiburon on steroids.
CamryVIPAugust 24, 2010
#339644
i think nice thigs will come of the new M when the creative bastards in japan start messin with them.
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i think nice thigs will come of the new M when the creative bastards in japan start messin with them.
kingpinAugust 25, 2010
#339690
Does this mean my first generation M just went up in value and i can sell it at the BJ VEGAS auction in 2040 and retire :slap: wake up Kingpin .... :pat:
Q 45 is dead for now ..hopefully that will return some day !!
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Does this mean my first generation M just went up in value  and i can sell it at the BJ VEGAS auction in 2040 and retire :slap: wake up Kingpin .... :pat:
Q 45 is dead for now  ..hopefully that will return some day !!
CaoboyAugust 25, 2010
#339718
I wonder why? Dwindling sales? Competition to heavy against the Celsior/LS460 now? Probably just focusing on sporty/luxury combined, and economy cars now?
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I wonder why? Dwindling sales? Competition to heavy against the Celsior/LS460 now? Probably just focusing on sporty/luxury combined, and economy cars now?
widebody_QAugust 25, 2010
#339725
It didn't sell in the US. The M pretty much replaced it. I seen it coming when they made the new M much larger, its the size of a Y33 if not bigger.
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It didn't sell in the US.  The M pretty much replaced it.  I seen it coming when they made the new M much larger, its the size of a Y33 if not bigger.
ohashiAugust 25, 2010
#339825
WOW, bummer. The century will always be king. what a shame
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WOW, bummer. The century will always be king. what a shame