Issue regarding Gato (Marketplace)

Wasn't really sure where to put this thread... but I'm going to be as brief but as descriptive as I can.

Gato posted Tommy's old Work SC5s for sale, I spotted them and passed them along to a friend who is not on VSC or Club Lexus. A deal was negotiated and agreed upon to have the wheels shipped to my American address in New York. Paid and awaited shipment.

Drive down to the border, (about 2 hours) and pick up the wheels. When we got there, the wheels were not at all in the condition that Gato described. He said all of them were in great shape and one wheel had a very minor rash on "not a big deal" this however was not the case. Keep in mind, I buy and sell many wheels and I ALWAYS check the packaging to see if it has been damaged. All of the wheels at least have a handful of dings in them and the "minor rash" is actually about 3.5" and deep into the lip. Not to mention one of the tires said to have 70% to 80% life left has a separated sidewall and a bubble the size of my fist. Anyone that knows anything about tires knows that you can not separate a sidewall when there is no load on the tire, AKA it was there prior to shipment.

So, since we were 2 hours from home and in a different country it's not like we can reject the wheels and send them back. So we take them home and send Gato an email explaining the situation. He was very co-operative at first and agreed that sometimes perception of good condition can be skewed. However, a damaged tire is still an unusable one. Jeff (buyer) and Gato settled on an amount to refund given American trade value of what a tire and wheel refinishing is. (for example, a nexen tire for Americans is $115, my price for the same tire $210) X amount of money was agreed on to be refunded. This was the 18th of April. I have contacted his vouchers and posted in his FS thread.

At this point, we haven't heard from Gato and I'm tired of dealing with it since every response we DO get looks something like this "this is BS, I dont even knw why im repliying since you come off dissrespectful in your post. i have a looong list of back n forth emails from JEff. and this isnt come up with any shit to get money back. ive offered a refund to jeff but i guess yall lboth think you can tell me what to do and what to pay. and its not even about the money now...simple for yall s manerism and dissrespectfullness. they were used wheels."

A hard read... I have not been disrespectful in anyway, but Gato seems to use harsh language and ill grammar to present himself.

So basically how I'm looking at this to sum it up is
1. The wheels were damaged before they left Texas
2. We were lied to about the tires and condition
3. If they WERE damaged in transit (both wheels and tires) the seller should have packed them better.
4. Tired of the run around waiting 10 or more days for every email even though they are going right to his phone.
5. Is now saying, we should have requested detailed images of the wheels. Basically saying, you should have trusted me, deal with it.
6. It's not so much the lips Jeff is worried about, it's the tire. The Agreed amount of money was to cover the tire at the American cost plus install.

Anyways, here's some photos.

[IMG]http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb314/blainangus/IMG_0480.jpg[/IMG]
The wheels have quite a lot of these, some small some large. But definitely not mint lips.
[IMG]http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb314/blainangus/IMG_0483.jpg[/IMG]
This is a dent and then a flat spot on the lip that spans several inches. Potentially from a poor sanding?
[IMG]http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb314/blainangus/IMG_0484.jpg[/IMG]
This is a pretty bad gouge, but this is what I would pass as the "small rash"
[IMG]http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb314/blainangus/IMG_0485.jpg[/IMG]
"barely noticeable rash"
[IMG]http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb314/blainangus/IMG_0482.jpg[/IMG]
The tire that is in great shape with lots of life left
[IMG]http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb314/blainangus/IMG_0486.jpg[/IMG]


Jeff is still waiting to hear back from Gato and has been for over a week. Sometimes he will respond within hours, some times days. 

Anyways, I won't be dealing with him again even though I'm sure he's a solid dude.

:sad:

Damn that sucks bro :sad: hope u get it sorted out GL....

i had that problem with RASRX7 too aka ron sino cruz...sold me a set of wheels which he describe "immaculate" and shown with only one small pic. i asked for close up he said that is all he has. when i got it all my car friends and i agree it is "rotten" condition...needless to say not only that was the last thing i bought from him...it was the last set of wheels i bought used...i guess there is only one way to describe "new" and there are alot of gray area to describe them when it is "used"

Fuckery......don't sugarcoat it, it is what it is, seems like shady deals have been poppin off a lot on here recently.....hope it gets worked out

looks like minor curb rash was described, although the bubbled tire was not...  I'm not understanding your wanting him to refinish the wheel when it was described as minor curb rash?  The tire, I can definitely see...that's a huge bubble!  BTW, 18th of May hasn't happened yet unless this took place last year??

[quote]Gato settled on an amount to refund given American trade value of what a tire and wheel refinishing is[/quote]

So Gato agreed to this, but you want more?

To me, used wheels are used wheels...they will have nicks and what not just from being driven on.  Unless the seller states flawless, brand new, don't expect it.  One persons interpretation of "no biggie" may not be the same interpretation another person has.

[QUOTE=speedaddict;383854]looks like minor curb rash was described, although the bubbled tire was not...  I'm not understanding your wanting him to refinish the wheel when it was described as minor curb rash?  The tire, I can definitely see...that's a huge bubble!  BTW, 18th of May hasn't happened yet unless this took place last year??[/QUOTE]

Yea not May, April I live in the future I suppose.

No, jeff has accepted that Gato screwed him on the condition but can't really say anything because it is a perception of condition. The tire however needs to be paid for which Gato agreed to do, but has not done so.

[QUOTE=waijai;383856]So Gato agreed to this, but you want more?

To me, used wheels are used wheels...they will have nicks and what not just from being driven on.  Unless the seller states flawless, brand new, don't expect it.  One persons interpretation of "no biggie" may not be the same interpretation another person has.[/QUOTE]

We never said we want more, we want what was initially agreed upon. As I said above, the damage to the wheels is a perception, I guess some people just don't give a shit about how things look and don't understand the words not a big deal or barely noticeable.

The tire is what needs to be covered, we were nice enough to offer the refund at American pricing even though here in Canada we would pay about $100 more for the exact same tire, but re and re on the tire.

I don't think it's fair to say that Gato screwed him on the condition of the wheels.   There was a misunderstanding yes, but in no way has Gato been deceptive in his representation.

If you buy a used car, drive it off the lot, get home and notice a paint defect or tear in the seats, are you going to say the dealer screwed you?

That's a little different though isn't it? neither of us saw the wheels and went with them on good faith from what I thought to be a well respected member of the forum. If I had picked them up in person I wouldn't have bought them personally. Misunderstanding or not, his perception of great shape is a very vague one.

But waijai, for the third time. Jeff is no longer concerned with the mangled lips, he needs to get the tire covered and Gato has been ignoring him. He has not been chasing him for lip refinishing. He really should not be chasing him at all, he has already agreed to pay back some money but has not done so. It's really bad that I can't trust a 5 year member of VSC and of Refined Elegance to tell the truth about something he's selling.

[QUOTE=4DGS;383864]That's a little different though isn't it? neither of us saw the wheels and went with them on good faith from what I thought to be a well respected member of the forum. If I had picked them up in person I wouldn't have bought them personally. Misunderstanding or not, his perception of great shape is a very vague one.
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I don't think it's any different.  If I bought a car from out of state and had it shipped to my house, I would either fly out to pick up myself or get 1000 pictures of every single part of the car.

Hope this gets resolved. Gato has always been a stand up guy on here and in person.  I would ALWAYS ask for close up shots of every single wheel when buying used.  People's perception of "great shape" might not be the same as it is for me.

Also, it's been one week. Don't you think it's a little early to feel "shafted?"

[QUOTE=jeebus;383870]Hope this gets resolved. Gato has always been a stand up guy on here and in person.  I would ALWAYS ask for close up shots of every single wheel when buying used.  People's perception of "great shape" might not be the same as it is for me.

Also, it's been one week. Don't you think it's a little early to feel "shafted?"[/QUOTE]

word...1 week to go and post a thread...I've met Gato a few times, definitely a good guy from what I know.   Let us know how this turns out.  I'm sure he'll chime in.

[QUOTE=waijai;383868]I don't think it's any different.  If I bought a car from out of state and had it shipped to my house, I would either fly out to pick up myself or get 1000 pictures of every single part of the car.[/QUOTE]

So you'd fly out to pick up wheels? Totally different things dude. If you went to pick up the car and it had a flat tire, would you take it home? (apples to oranges) As for the dings, 4th time, irrelevant as Jeff has accepted that it IS perception. The tire is NOT perception, he shipped these wheels with a separated sidewall. Gato needs to pay for the tire plus mount and balance.

[QUOTE=jeebus;383870]Hope this gets resolved. Gato has always been a stand up guy on here and in person.  I would ALWAYS ask for close up shots of every single wheel when buying used.  People's perception of "great shape" might not be the same as it is for me.

Also, it's been one week. Don't you think it's a little early to feel "shafted?"[/QUOTE]

It's been 3 weeks since we started talking about the situation with Gato. It's been a week since we last heard from him...

[QUOTE=speedaddict;383873]word...1 week to go and post a thread...I've met Gato a few times, definitely a good guy from what I know.   Let us know how this turns out.  I'm sure he'll chime in.[/QUOTE]


I'm sure he will and I'm sure he'll come in as hostile he has been with me. He's been polite to Jeff, he's been pretty immature with me though.

Just to make this apparent, I don't get anything out of this. If money goes back to Jeff that's great, but no money comes to me. I'm am merely the one that set up the deal so i feel he's screwed me, which is not acceptable.

[QUOTE=4DGS;383884]So you'd fly out to pick up wheels? Totally different things dude. If you went to pick up the car and it had a flat tire, would you take it home? (apples to oranges) As for the dings, 4th time, irrelevant as Jeff has accepted that it IS perception. The tire is NOT perception, he shipped these wheels with a separated sidewall. Gato needs to pay for the tire plus mount and balance.
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You're missing my point.  With any transaction of used goods, it's buyer beware.  I'm saying it's not fair to say Gato screwed your friend on condition of wheels b/c your friend assumed flawless, perfect wheels when they were USED.

So...I just purchased a set of 7 series wheels from Gato about a month ago. He was quickly and friendly to PM/text/talk on the phone. Price was fair, he was honest about the condition of the rims. They did have a bit more rash than I was hoping, but I felt I got them for a fair enough price and they are "used". I was not unhappy with him, his shipping time, or anything at all. He has even contacted me several times since transaction to confirm I'm happy and to ask about my car/build.

Sorry you had an issue.

I've never called Gato a Scammer...

Ok, so I sell you a set of wheels, with tires that you think are in good DRIVABLE shape. right before I ship them I'm cutting a piece of tape and the knife slides off and punctures the tire, I ship them anyways.

Is that your fault that you now have one completely useless tire? Because right now you're saying it is.

Buyer beware...of what? He sold a faulted product and won't back it up. Hence why were here with this thread, something needs to be done about his poor representation of the product. He sold a wheel with a useless tire at full value. If I didn't want the tires, I would have bought the wheels at the discounted price without tires, wouldn't you? And if I had known the tires had a 5" bubble I would have bought them without the tires. 


original message from gato
"up for sale are these awesome Work Wheel Schwert SC5 20 inch with step lips.

20x9.5 -5 bbk friendly and 20x10.5 -7 

one wheel has a small rash no biggie.

comes with[B] Nexen 7000 tires good condition with at least 75 to 80% tread left.[/B]

[B]Wheels are absoultley amazing[/B] and get alot of compliments...but they need a new home.

I can ship wherever you pay ship. you pay paypal fee.

$2900 no BS no lowballs"

[QUOTE=gh0st;383892]So...I just purchased a set of 7 series wheels from Gato about a month ago. He was quickly and friendly to PM/text/talk on the phone. Price was fair, he was honest about the condition of the rims. They did have a bit more rash than I was hoping, but I felt I got them for a fair enough price and they are "used". I was not unhappy with him, his shipping time, or anything at all. He has even contacted me several times since transaction to confirm I'm happy and to ask about my car/build.

Sorry you had an issue.[/QUOTE]

That's great and I'm glad to hear, did he happen to include a tire ready for a blow out when he told you the tire was good?

And here, from CL

I can ship wherever you pay ship. you pay paypal fee.

[B]$2600 no BS no lowballs[/B]

[B]if you want tires total is $2900
comes with Nexen 7000 tires good condition with at least 75 to 80% tread left.[/B]

If we had known the rear tires were pooched, we would have bought the wheels at $2600+shipping. Not $300 additional.

Also just stumbled over this, Edwin was trying to sell the same wheels, but he DID mention the 1" rash on the rear... weird.

[url]http://www.clublexus.com/forums/wheels-and-tires-classifieds/537999-fs-20-work-schwert-sc5-with-tires-aggressive-offsets.html[/url]

[QUOTE=4DGS;383896]I've never called Gato a Scammer...[/QUOTE]

Sorry misworded my post.  edited*

If so, how did the tires sidewall separate? You can't bubble a tire by dropping it or squishing it on something, it needs to be under load to bubble the sidewall.

I know 4DGS personally and know he's not the type of guy screw anyone over. Just the opposite he has helped me out immensely with nothing for him to gain from it.
Hopefullly Gato steps up and all is resolved.

Thanks Brett.

Incase anyone is doubting me and thinking I'm just a dick trying to grab some money... I don't get anything out of this if it's resolved or not.

Also, my rep on G35driver speaks for itself.

[url]http://g35driver.com/forums/itrader.php?u=76805[/url]

I dont think anyone thinks 4dgs is a bad guy...LOL

hope this gets resolved asap, Gato seems like a pretty cool guy. maybe some of the RE members could show him this thread? sounds a phone call between the buyer/seller is in order.

X 2 vouch for Blain (4DGS)
 
he is Legit guy ..  hope this works out ..

im with 4gds on this one.  the wheels obviously were sold via misleading advertisement.  however, thats not to say i think gato is untrustworthy.  im grateful you bring the situation to the public, and i hope he chimes in and everything is resolved as there is 2 sides to every story.

Yea I'm not saying I don't trust Gato or he's a bad guy or anything, he's been pretty cooperative but he's obviously procrastinating on a response to Jeff and refunding the money.

maybe it would be better if you let the buyer and the seller handle their business between themselve's. i know gio personally and consider him a friend. he's a stand up guy but everyone has their perception as well as their attitudes. it sounds like you may have rubbed him the wrong way and now your buddies cause is suffering. i'm not sayin you did anything wrong 4dgs, just offering a perspective. i actually notuiced this situation escalating before this thread was made and i definitely sensed some tension between gio and yourself.

No, you sensed some tension between him and himself.

I've been nothing but polite as I always am. The first thing I said about this was in his FS thread, the thread is still there. Then he wrote a response and had the thread closed. I contacted his vouchers and left a message on his visitor profile here on VSC. Obviously he don't know how visitor profiles work, because he responded on his own page and not on mine.

Jeff is tired of waiting for emails, so now me being the person that set up the deal and the one that has an account on here and club lexus has to clean up. (Jeff doesn't have an account on either site at all)

I would love for him to respond to Jeff and pay him and me not have to write a 10 paragraph essay about the matter, but that hasn't happened and Jeff doesn't want to wait for him anymore. So here we are, if you're his buddy please remind him that he needs to contact Jeff and work out the kinks in their deal.

Like I said, I'm not attacking him and I'm not trying to make him look like an ass. He needs to be a little more responsive than he has been in the last week (which is not at all)

In my opinion I think 4DGS is out of control by calling me out on my fs thread, my visitor messages as well as this thread.

first and foremost for the simple reason that an amount HAD NOT been agreed upon but rather suggested. (get your facts straight before posting lies)

so with that being said, no more back and forth, Im ok with refunding Jeff 125.

I can guarantee that I did not send out a wheel knowing it had a bubble on tire. so either a I missed it or  it happend during shipping. 

the reason all this is BS to me on 4DGS is that he keeps posting and quoting me on things that are not true. 

1. you state that it had a 5" bubble...STOP IT. (5 inches really) you over exaggerate.
although the reason for the bubble is unknown, Read above I'll pick up the tab on that.

2. Separated side wall??? where when? there was never a seprarated sidewall! STOP IT

3. you call me out in my visitor message by writing "your grammar is terrible and you come across like a [B]child[/B]. I'm tired of  dealing with you."

4. you state , "the "barely noticeable rash" is a 3" long rash that is VERY  noticeable" ..... HANG TIGHT, where in my post did I write "Barely noticeable"? those are your words not mine but you make it seem as if said it. again MORE bs from 4dgs 

5. you write to me in a commanding way "Contact Jeff immediately and settle up" when in fact me and Jeff were emailing eachother. who do you think your talking to?

6. 3.5" and deep into the lip....seriously thats pretty deep. again over exxagerating.

You know Me and Jeff were settetling on final number and if I would have accepted the number last week, which I was fixin to, he would of had his money a few days back...but rather because of the things I posted above from you were taken as disrespectful and innacurate information of the truth, I put you on the back burner for trying to be a cheerleader for Jeff when things were already in motion.




So, because of your shenaigggan's, slander and misrepresentation of the truth, you will delete this entire thread (not close, Delete) and you will remove your name calling visitor messages on my profile before money is sent.  


And I don't want to read any more of your lip service on this thread or anywhere for that matter. otherwise back-burner it is.

Gato quite frankly im shocked sir...  As a business man I would not expect you of all people to react this way.  

4DGS has provided pictures and a reasonable arguement, he has stated MULTIPLE times that it isnt his intention to slander your good name on here, he is merely demanding action as I believe it is his right to do.  Focusing on "lies" does no good when the other party has provided evidence.  

WHO CARES if he is barking out orders, things can easily get misinterpreted over the internet and he may not have meant it that way.  You have no right to "put him on the back burner" just because you dont like his attitude... is this how you treat the paying customers of your other ventures?  I certainly hope not.


Im afraid I can not and will not close/delete this thread until I feel both parties have amicably settled their differences.

4DS. I understand your perspective on the sale, and get the fact that a buyer will always look at the item they are buying with a different eye than a seller. You are representing someone elses' interest. Your conduct should always be respectful enough not to jeopardize the end goal, which is what the buyer is looking for.

Gato,  not liking someone's attitude is not reason enough not to live up to your end on a deal. You relinquished that right when you accepted monetary returns in exchange for products. If you are dissatisfied with his attitude you should have addressed that prior to the sale and find another buyer with a better one., or you take a return...and call it even.



With that said, both of you are at fault to a certain extent.

Life is not about winning or losing. Its about doing the right thing.

Seems to me there is a lot of mis-understanding here,maybe a lack of a better description  of the product and alittle instigating from some of the media in some ways. @ the end of the day,the buyer and seller should come to an agreement and settle up(if not already done) and put this whole mess behind them.We are all car enthusiates in here and some what of a family(even if we dont know each other personally). I'm sure both these guys are stand-up and this was a transaction that went SOUTH real fast.

In my opinion I think 4DGS is out of control by calling me out on my fs thread, my visitor messages as well as this thread.

[B]Your opinion seems to be skewed from the truth so really calling me out of control when you type sporadically and unpunctual, I would say I am pretty tame here.[/B]

first and foremost for the simple reason that an amount HAD NOT been agreed upon but rather suggested. (get your facts straight before posting lies)
[B]
An amount HAD been agreed. $125 which you seem to know.. right below this...[/B]

so with that being said, no more back and forth, Im ok with refunding Jeff 125.

[B]Yes[/B]

I can guarantee that I did not send out a wheel knowing it had a bubble on tire. so either a I missed it or  it happend during shipping. 

[B]As I said before, not something that can happen in shipping.[/B]

1. you state that it had a 5" bubble...STOP IT. (5 inches really) you over exaggerate.
although the reason for the bubble is unknown, Read above I'll pick up the tab on that.

[B]It's the size of my fist which I also stated, my fist is 4" wide, sorry off by an inch, still a huge bubble though unfortunately.[/B]

2. Separated side wall??? where when? there was never a seprarated sidewall! STOP IT

[B]Do you know what a separated sidewall is? Clearly you don't. When a layer of the sidewall separates air is able to come between it, causing..... A BUBBLE.[/B]

3. you call me out in my visitor message by writing "your grammar is terrible and you come across like a [B]child[/B]. I'm tired of  dealing with you."

[B]Because every time I said anything to you you would respond with " WTF This is Bullshit, I never did that you're a liar etc etc." Even in this post that is clear...[/B]

4. you state , "the "barely noticeable rash" is a 3" long rash that is VERY  noticeable" ..... HANG TIGHT, where in my post did I write "Barely noticeable"? those are your words not mine but you make it seem as if said it. again MORE bs from 4dgs 

[B]I have a PM from you on Club Lexus saying this "small rash on one front wheel maybe an inch. very minor" What scale was used for this measurement?

[I]In my opinion[/I] that means pretty much unnoticeable. But I guess very minor and pretty brutal can get mixed up here and there.[/B]

5. you write to me in a commanding way "Contact Jeff immediately and settle up" when in fact me and Jeff were emailing eachother. who do you think your talking to?

[B]I think I'm talking to a guy that gets these messages to his phone yet doesn't respond for a week or more by choice.[/B]

6. 3.5" and deep into the lip....seriously thats pretty deep. again over exxagerating.

[B]I think you are so frustrated you're reading things wrong. Read that again, 3.5" (in length) and pretty deep into the lip. AKA not easily sanded out without blocking the lip and loosing it's curvature.[/B]

You know Me and Jeff were settetling on final number and if I would have accepted the number last week, which I was fixin to, he would of had his money a few days back...but rather because of the things I posted above from you were taken as disrespectful and innacurate information of the truth, I put you on the back burner for trying to be a cheerleader for Jeff when things were already in motion.

[B]Jeff gave me the go ahead to contact you on here because he though maybe you weren't getting the emails (that's how long it took you to respond)[/B]


So, because of your shenaigggan's, slander and misrepresentation of the truth, you will delete this entire thread (not close, Delete) and you will remove your name calling visitor messages on my profile before money is sent.  
[B]
This thread will stay open like bradicus said because we are not in the wrong, if this is the only way to get you to respond to the emails so be it.

I will gladly remove the visitor messages now though.[/B] 


And I don't want to read any more of your lip service on this thread or anywhere for that matter. otherwise back-burner it is.

[B]Well, seeing as how you're in the wrong on this. Back burner is looking more and more like you getting a terrible rep over $125. This can go away quickly. Jeff will tell me when you refund the money (in Canadian dollars please in format of paypal gift) and I will contact a mod to completely delete this thread.[/B]

[B]Again, I'm not trying to make you look bad as I know you're a solid dude, but there was no other way to bring this to your attention.[/B]

"3.5in and deep into the lip" is misleading.   saying 3.5" long deep gash sounds more precise.

[QUOTE=eyedea;384157]
Gato,  not liking someone's attitude is not reason enough not to live up to your end on a deal. 
g.[/QUOTE]
Correct. But amount had nt been agreed upon. Someone suggesting an amount doesn't make it binding

[QUOTE=4DGS;384166]
[B]Again, I'm not trying to make you look bad as I know you're a solid dude, but there was no other way to bring this to your attention.[/B][/QUOTE]

You may not be trying, but you sure are succeeding with all the finger pointing and assumptions.  I totally believe Gato, when he says he wasn't aware of the bubble.  He's a straight shooter and I trust him without a doubt.  He's agreed to a dollar amount and your friend will get it.

juss pay the Canadian and it will be all good.:biggthumpup:

^yeaaa budddy

[img]http://c0016417.cdn2.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/26hq.jpg[/img]

this whole thread is fuckery......a little communication and it would have never came to this!!!  (i see points on both sides though) but it still should not have came to this..talk it out people!!!

I do understand where the buyer is coming from, since he did pay top dollar for some expensive wheels.
 
but gato did disclose "some minor scratches"....and if each little scuff is on each wheel then it's not that bad. if all of it was on one wheel then that's another story.
 
the tire on the other hand was definitely not disclosed and yeah maybe gato did not see it.
 
gato refunded hundred something dollars so I think this disagreement should be resolved and both parties should move on.
 
either way hope you guys can come to a happy conclusion.

Gato doesn't seem like the kind of guy to purposely mislead anyone.  I've done business with him involving $3k last year...there was an issue, it was resolved.  Seems like this couldve been resolved without making a post about it.  Its been said, he mentioned the curb rash...whats minor to someone may be major to someone else.  Next time, you guys should buy new or refuse them...seems like more problems in accepting them than driving 2 hours back empty handed.

To both parties, many things can be misinterpreted on the internet unless it is made very clear and precise specially when buying used items. 

I've dealt with Gato a lot of times, and at times it takes a little bit of time until he replies, but he does reply and always comes through. I'm sure Gato will fulfill whatever deal is agreed upon.

Both parties need to keep their cool during this process

Not to slander anyone here.. But People saying I have dealt with, so and so, and had great experience is not excusable. One person may give you great service, but fuck over someone else, Madoff was a great person to a lot of people, but he fucked over a lot of people too. Its all subjective. 

With the way the economy is you have to get everything in more detail, writing, and in some cases a witness and lawyer (depending on purchase) you never know these days. 

I can call out a lot of instances of this. From seller to buyer to insurance fraud to Craigslist sellers, and buyers, stealing all sorts..

My question to all of this is, was there any detail of the damages? if there was, and it was new, or not shown, i would understand. If i was to go that far for wheels i would ask of this. 

Just my three cents take it what its worth

True always try to have everything in writing, make a contract and make them sign it if they want to purchase, so nothing like this happens. No one likes going to court.

oh no, i do. I go so much you thought i was a Lawyer lol

Well..... Reading this still 2:51 is interesting. 

I would pay back the Canadian amount G. and wipe you hands clean. the Scratches on the lips would have had me pissed IMO. and the tire is only the cherry on top. and seems like this can be all done fellas. 

I am a stand up seller and I can look at both sides. but over all When a refund is issued then everyone can go about their day and move on. This was a high dollar sale aswell.

Word

[QUOTE=speedaddict;384295]Gato doesn't seem like the kind of guy to purposely mislead anyone.  I've done business with him involving $3k last year...there was an issue, it was resolved.  Seems like this couldve been resolved without making a post about it.  Its been said, he mentioned the curb rash...whats minor to someone may be major to someone else.  Next time, you guys should buy new or refuse them...seems like more problems in accepting them than driving 2 hours back empty handed.[/QUOTE]

You can't refuse something that has already been accepted. When UPS/FedEx whoever drops it off, you need to refuse it upon delivery. No matter where you ship...

It could have been resolved but Gato hasn't been responding so to get a response out of him we had to pull this waste of time.


As koukiMonster said, just because you're vouching for the guy doesn't mean he's off the hook for something else. I'm sure your experiences were good, this one was not. It happens, you don't need to back him up, nobody here has called him a scammer that's out to make a quick buck off selling garbage because he clearly is not! If I made a thread that said "don't deal with Gato he'll rip you off" I could understand your posts, but that's not the case and this has been somewhat civil.


[B]MinimalMaximal, Jeff hasn't received anything yet....[/B] [B]As of 10:39 Eastern time on the 27th.

Patiently waiting the paypal email for 100 and something dollars.[/B]

waste of time indeed.

[QUOTE=RajahCasti;384200]juss pay the Canadian and it will be all good.:biggthumpup:[/QUOTE]

Ya, or else we'll slap you with a piece of back bacon and drown you in maple syrup, all while drinking our strong ass beer.




Obviously j/k. :dance:

He may have said J/K but that kinda shit happens in the streets!

Still hood lol

Honestly, if I were selling them and I can truly say I was not aware of the bubble then I wouldn't refund anything.  Again, I would not lie about, and if I did know it was there I would list it in my thread.  With that said, that bubble would be pretty hard to miss.

Secondly, I've been in a similar situation. I bought wheels from a vendor on here a long time ago with "minor curbage and nothing major." I had to pay to refinish every single wheel I learned a valuable lesson not to trust someone on here (or any place for that matter) just because they are well known or a paying sponsor.  However, I didn’t come on here and make a big deal out of this because in the end it was MY FAULT for not asking up close shots of each wheel displaying damage.  I’ve sold wheels on here and people always ask for detailed pics, which I have no problem providing since I’m pretty upfront about what I post on here.  

Lastly, when dropping $3,000 on wheels why make big fuzz over $100? This just seems petty and to me the only reason $100 are being sought after so badly is because the buyer wasn’t satisfied with a used product he should have been more careful about buying instead of having a middle man do all he work for him.  Those tires will probably last a couple months until they need to be changed. The term minor curbage is debatable to say the least and you shouldn't take anyone’s word for it. Charge it to game, take it as a loss, lesson learned and lets all get the hell on.  That's just my .02.

or get slapped with bacon and drowned maple syrup....

We would hang you on a cactus and put tumbleweeds on your barefeet as socks here in TX

Pay the guy and lets move on!

tires have bubbled on me during shipping before - twice buying new tires, once when shipping wheels with tires to someone. the tires do not necessarily have to be under load to incur damage. transport carriers are not at all gentle with packages. this is a freight carrier issue (imo) and if it was fully insured i would have filed a damage claim immediately. i take pics of all high dollar items i ship before/during/after they are packed to cover my ass.

its too much bickering for 3% of used parts. it doesnt seem worth the stress (for either party), but thats me. im sure gato will settle it though. gl to those involved.

[QUOTE=Kohinoor;384433]tires have bubbled on me during shipping before - twice buying new tires, once when shipping wheels with tires to someone. the tires do not necessarily have to be under load to incur damage. transport carriers are not at all gentle with packages. this is a freight carrier issue (imo) and if it was fully insured i would have filed a damage claim immediately. i take pics of all high dollar items i ship before/during/after they are packed to cover my ass.
 
its too much bickering for 3% of used parts. it doesnt seem worth the stress (for either party), but thats me. im sure gato will settle it though. gl to those involved.[/QUOTE] i am sure he will ... but the point respond and not ignore to his emails , I manage a transport company with over 10 years of freight exp , i have never seen tires bubble in transit that is a bunch of BS ,maybe he did not see the bubble i could accept that , those wheels were not driven on since they got here there is still snow on the ground in some places .As far as shipping goes they faces could have been damaged in shipping but not the tires.I know you are in the same line of business as my self but be neutral to the issue at hand.
 
[QUOTE=jeebus;384413]Honestly, if I were selling them and I can truly say I was not aware of the bubble then I wouldn't refund anything. Again, I would not lie about, and if I did know it was there I would list it in my thread. With that said, that bubble would be pretty hard to miss.
 
Secondly, I've been in a similar situation. I bought wheels from a vendor on here a long time ago with "minor curbage and nothing major." I had to pay to refinish every single wheel I learned a valuable lesson not to trust someone on here (or any place for that matter) just because they are well known or a paying sponsor. However, I didn’t come on here and make a big deal out of this because in the end it was MY FAULT for not asking up close shots of each wheel displaying damage. I’ve sold wheels on here and people always ask for detailed pics, which I have no problem providing since I’m pretty upfront about what I post on here. 
 
Lastly, when dropping $3,000 on wheels why make big fuzz over $100? This just seems petty and to me the only reason $100 are being sought after so badly is because the buyer wasn’t satisfied with a used product he should have been more careful about buying instead of having a middle man do all he work for him. Those tires will probably last a couple months until they need to be changed. The term minor curbage is debatable to say the least and you shouldn't take anyone’s word for it. Charge it to game, take it as a loss, lesson learned and lets all get the hell on. That's just my .02.[/QUOTE]i think your are missing the point Jeebus its not about the $100 here its about the item in question if those were my rims i would have never taken them .
 
[QUOTE=VipDout;384379]Well..... Reading this still 2:51 is interesting. 
 
I would pay back the Canadian amount G. and wipe you hands clean. the Scratches on the lips would have had me pissed IMO. and the tire is only the cherry on top. and seems like this can be all done fellas. 
 
I am a stand up seller and I can look at both sides. but over all When a refund is issued then everyone can go about their day and move on. This was a high dollar sale aswell.[/QUOTE]I do agree with you James BUT i have bought almost 10 sets of wheels and parts from the US over the last 2 years and i have never had this problem.
 
[QUOTE=Kouki Monster;384342]Not to slander anyone here.. But People saying I have dealt with, so and so, and had great experience is not excusable. One person may give you great service, but fuck over someone else, Madoff was a great person to a lot of people, but he fucked over a lot of people too. Its all subjective. 
 
With the way the economy is you have to get everything in more detail, writing, and in some cases a witness and lawyer (depending on purchase) you never know these days. 
 
I can call out a lot of instances of this. From seller to buyer to insurance fraud to Craigslist sellers, and buyers, stealing all sorts..
 
My question to all of this is, was there any detail of the damages? if there was, and it was new, or not shown, i would understand. If i was to go that far for wheels i would ask of this. 
 
Just my three cents take it what its worth[/QUOTE]Well said i have to agree

I think you're missing the point.:
[QUOTE]The tire however needs to be paid for [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]The tire is what needs to be covered[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]he needs to get the tire covered [/QUOTE]

The guy wants the $100 to replace the tire.  This isn't about messed up rims, it's always been about the bubbled tire.

^^ thank you for pointing that out jeebus .. 
 
:pat:

Yea KP...get with it canuck....LOL:smiley-rofl:

either or way...  fuckk man its $100 .. let just all get a along :biggthumpup:

Payment received. Thanks Gato, sorry for the bull shit just wish you had been a little quicker with everything.

Mods, feel free to close the thread.

And yes, the money was only the cover the tire which as jeebus said, I said many times. Rash is rash, but a tire ready for a blowout isn't the same.

:thankyou: 
 
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