Thread #29019

infiniti Q45 Y33 camber question

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taasinboyMarch 15, 2012
#442353

infiniti Q45 Y33 camber question

I hardly ever post on here, but I have a question regarding the parts needed to achieve more camber in the rear of my 1998 infiniti q45. I am aware that the Ruca's from a s14 240sx is compatible with the y33, is there anything else that i need to achieve more camber? I'm also assuming that I'm gonna need a traction rod as well for more camber or am i wrong? I'm actually trying to achieve roughly 6 degrees of camber in the rear. Sorry for the noob question, any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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I hardly ever post on here, but I have a question regarding the parts  needed to achieve more camber in the rear of my 1998 infiniti q45. I am  aware that the Ruca's from a s14 240sx is compatible with the y33, is  there anything else that i need to achieve more camber? I'm also  assuming that I'm gonna need a traction rod as well for more camber or  am i wrong? I'm actually trying to achieve roughly 6 degrees of camber  in the rear. Sorry for the noob question, any help would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
OllieMarch 16, 2012
#442644
I have over 5 degrees on stock ucas lol... aftermarket rucas and tractions rods and youll be good to go!
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I have over 5 degrees on stock ucas lol... aftermarket rucas and tractions rods and youll be good to go!
taasinboyMarch 18, 2012
#442818
information much appreciated bros! trying to fit -69 offsets ain't working on stock body and stock arms. aftermarket s13/s14 traction rods compatible to y33? if so, ill pick some up asap!
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information much appreciated bros! trying to fit -69 offsets ain't working on stock body and stock arms. aftermarket s13/s14 traction rods  compatible to y33? if so, ill pick some up asap!
taasinboyMarch 18, 2012
#442823
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sorry for the small pics, teasers.
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sorry for the small pics, teasers.
brainneededMarch 18, 2012
#442824
all the camber in the world aren't gonna fit those bad boys.
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all the camber in the world aren't gonna fit those bad boys.
taasinboyMarch 18, 2012
#442826
lol custom metal flares on the way. this is the reason for my suspension arms question as you can see.
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lol custom metal flares on the way. this is the reason for my suspension arms question as you can see.
taasinboyMarch 18, 2012
#442827
btw thats actually 4 inches from fender to tire sidewall, not even to rim lip. haha going HARD!
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btw thats actually 4 inches from fender to tire sidewall, not even to rim lip. haha going HARD!
JuzzoMarch 18, 2012
#442850
Daymn, looking forward to seeing the outcome:biggthumpup:
So 4" and demsum to fit... so with just camber you'd need approximately 13 more degrees of neg. camber from the upper pivot point to clear. Shieet =)
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Daymn, looking forward to seeing the outcome:biggthumpup:
So 4" and demsum to fit... so with just camber you'd need approximately 13 more degrees of neg. camber from the upper pivot point to clear. Shieet =)
dzznuts671March 18, 2012
#442882
Looks dope!! Good luck ok the build!! Can't wait to see the flares!! What about the front set up? Is it just as aggressive?
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Looks dope!! Good luck ok the build!! Can't wait to see the flares!! What about the front set up? Is it just as aggressive?
taasinboyMarch 18, 2012
#442907
thanks guys, btw fronts are 19x10 -30.
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thanks guys, btw fronts are 19x10 -30.
Why33March 18, 2012
#442908
Deng -69! :biggthumpup:
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Deng -69! :biggthumpup:
projecty33March 18, 2012
#442924
Wow. Can't wait to see this
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Wow. Can't wait to see this
BossMaximaMarch 20, 2012
#443124
Subscribing to this one!
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Subscribing to this one!
drooMarch 20, 2012
#443145
cant wait to see the outcome of this! subsribing as well! im running -10 degrees to tuck my equips. and thats just having pbm ucas and toe arms
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cant wait to see the outcome of this! subsribing as well! im running -10 degrees to tuck my equips.  and thats just having pbm ucas and toe arms
33flavorsMarch 20, 2012
#443147
this is going to run a grip in hawaii - i think is very doable - depends on how deep your pockets are - im thinking 10-15K plus for a reputable body shop in hawaii (best case)

with that kind of stretch any attempt at a decent ride height - with 6 degrees camber - expect your inner barrel to be less than an inch from the pavement - fender flair and arms definitely
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this is going to run a grip in hawaii - i think is very doable - depends on how deep  your pockets are - im thinking 10-15K plus for a reputable body shop in hawaii (best case)

with that kind of stretch any attempt at a decent ride height - with 6 degrees camber - expect your inner barrel to be less than an inch from the pavement - fender flair and arms definitely
taasinboyMarch 20, 2012
#443163
33flavors;443147 wrote:this is going to run a grip in hawaii - i think is very doable - depends on how deep your pockets are - im thinking 10-15K plus for a reputable body shop in hawaii (best case)

with that kind of stretch any attempt at a decent ride height - with 6 degrees camber - expect your inner barrel to be less than an inch from the pavement - fender flair and arms definitely


I'm actually pretty experienced in autobody/bodywork myself, metal fender flares are coming in from Japan and should be arriving soon. I'm good friends with Gary from js4kix garage here in Honolulu, so paint when I'm ready will be handled as well as finish bodywork. I've got big goals with this build and enough funds to handle this journey. They don't call this VIP style for nothing so as long as nothing ridiculous happens that is gonna have a adverse effect on my funds then I'm fine for now. I've always loved your Q and it was always awesome seeing you on the freeway while you were here in Hawaii. Gonna take my time with this remodel to get it to where I can make a little dent in the scene, but at the same time try to budget my spending. Baller on a budget build, I know kind of an oxymoron, but that phrase fits my situation fine.
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[QUOTE=33flavors;443147]this is going to run a grip in hawaii - i think is very doable - depends on how deep  your pockets are - im thinking 10-15K plus for a reputable body shop in hawaii (best case)

with that kind of stretch any attempt at a decent ride height - with 6 degrees camber - expect your inner barrel to be less than an inch from the pavement - fender flair and arms definitely[/QUOTE]

I'm actually pretty experienced in autobody/bodywork myself, metal fender flares are coming in from Japan and should be arriving soon. I'm good friends with Gary from js4kix garage here in Honolulu, so paint when I'm ready will be handled as well as finish bodywork. I've got big goals with this build and enough funds to handle this journey. They don't call this VIP style for nothing so as long as nothing ridiculous happens that is gonna have a adverse effect on my funds then I'm fine for now. I've always loved your Q and it was always awesome seeing you on the freeway while you were here in Hawaii. Gonna take my time with this remodel to get it to where I can make a little dent in the scene, but at the same time try to budget my spending. Baller on a budget build, I know kind of an oxymoron, but that phrase fits my situation fine.
67rsMarch 20, 2012
#443164
good god, were those rims on island?

i dont think this will help at all but my stock body with -5.8* camber on some 19x10s +5 cleared with no issues

rolled them today with a slight pull, zeroed the camber out on the same rims and they cleared no prob. gl with fitting the -69s tho.
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good god, were those rims on island?

i dont think this will help at all but my stock body with -5.8* camber on some 19x10s +5 cleared with no issues

rolled them today with a slight pull, zeroed the camber out on the same rims and they cleared no prob. gl with fitting the -69s tho.
taasinboyMarch 20, 2012
#443165
Btw about the stretch, the tires came with the wheels and is way beyond the stretch I'm comfortable with so 265/35 is the next purchase and honolulu roads are probably the hell of all roads and a wheel/suspension nightmare.
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Btw about the stretch, the tires came with the wheels and is way beyond the stretch I'm comfortable with so 265/35 is the next purchase and honolulu roads are probably the hell of all roads and a wheel/suspension nightmare.
taasinboyMarch 20, 2012
#443166
67rs;443164 wrote:good god, were those rims on island?

i dont think this will help at all but my stock body with -5.8* camber on some 19x10s +5 cleared with no issues

rolled them today with a slight pull, zeroed the camber out on the same rims and they cleared no prob. gl with fitting the -69s tho.


Rims were purchased by a friend through revision audio, they were actually supposed to go on my friend's infamous 350z, but he sold the car and parted the wheels to me new and only mounted tires for test fitting for clearance. Thanks bro, it's gonna be a chore since pulling my fenders didn't do crap, but put waves on my quarter panel and give me about 1 inch and 1/4 pull. I gave up after attempting the driver side and sourced metal fender flares since fiberglass won't do it for me.
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[QUOTE=67rs;443164]good god, were those rims on island?

i dont think this will help at all but my stock body with -5.8* camber on some 19x10s +5 cleared with no issues

rolled them today with a slight pull, zeroed the camber out on the same rims and they cleared no prob. gl with fitting the -69s tho.[/QUOTE]

Rims were purchased by a friend through revision audio, they were actually supposed to go on my friend's infamous 350z, but he sold the car and parted the wheels to me new and only mounted tires for test fitting for clearance. Thanks bro, it's gonna be a chore since pulling my fenders didn't do crap, but put waves on my quarter panel and give me about 1 inch and 1/4 pull. I gave up after attempting the driver side and sourced metal fender flares since fiberglass won't do it for me.
33flavorsMarch 21, 2012
#443371
I'm back on island. Lol. Good to see guys pushing the limit. Car will be back in a couple of months. My rebarrel is about 19x10.5 -34 19x12-20. Hopefully this helps.

Looks like we could legitimately have a y33 crew in Hawaii.
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I'm back on island. Lol. Good to see guys pushing the limit. Car will be back in a couple of months. My rebarrel is about 19x10.5 -34 19x12-20. Hopefully this helps.

Looks like we could legitimately have a y33 crew in Hawaii.
taasinboyMarch 21, 2012
#443374
33flavors;443371 wrote:I'm back on island. Lol. Good to see guys pushing the limit. Car will be back in a couple of months. My rebarrel is about 19x10.5 -34 19x12-20. Hopefully this helps.

Looks like we could legitimately have a y33 crew in Hawaii.



Dope Bro, welcome back. hopefully my car will be ready by the time your car comes in so i can keep up. I'm excited to see you update it and change it up, been watching you go through all those phases even back when it was black. lol. I am a fan. BTW, my question originally was about whether or not s14/s13 traction rods were a must if i wanted to achieve more camber and if they were compatible with the y33. I already ordered some s14 ones from wicked so i guess I'm gonna just wing it and try to see if it works.
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[QUOTE=33flavors;443371]I'm back on island. Lol. Good to see guys pushing the limit. Car will be back in a couple of months. My rebarrel is about 19x10.5 -34 19x12-20. Hopefully this helps.

Looks like we could legitimately have a y33 crew in Hawaii.[/QUOTE]


Dope Bro, welcome back. hopefully my car will be ready by the time your car comes in so i can keep up. I'm excited to see you update it and change it up, been watching you go through all those phases even back when it was black. lol. I am a fan. BTW, my question originally was about whether or not s14/s13 traction rods were a must if i wanted to achieve more camber and if they were compatible with the y33. I already ordered some s14 ones from wicked so i guess I'm gonna just wing it and try to see if it works.
taasinboyMarch 21, 2012
#443375
33flavors;443371 wrote:I'm back on island. Lol. Good to see guys pushing the limit. Car will be back in a couple of months. My rebarrel is about 19x10.5 -34 19x12-20. Hopefully this helps.

Looks like we could legitimately have a y33 crew in Hawaii.


y33 crew or at least a q45 meet would be so sick!
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[QUOTE=33flavors;443371]I'm back on island. Lol. Good to see guys pushing the limit. Car will be back in a couple of months. My rebarrel is about 19x10.5 -34 19x12-20. Hopefully this helps.

Looks like we could legitimately have a y33 crew in Hawaii.[/QUOTE]

y33 crew or at least a q45 meet would be so sick!
taasinboyMarch 21, 2012
#443376
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Since I haven't officially intruduced myself formally this is how my car is currently most of you from Hawaii have probably seen it before. I'm getting away from the tucked look and trying to achieve the poke/stuffed look and at the same time incorporating more of my ideal style.
-air runner suspension
19x9.5 fronts 20x11 rears - work varianza D3S
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Since I haven't officially intruduced myself formally this is how my car is currently most of you from Hawaii have probably seen it before. I'm getting away from the tucked look and trying to achieve the poke/stuffed look and at the same time incorporating more of my ideal style.
-air runner suspension
19x9.5 fronts 20x11 rears - work varianza D3S
PANCAKES!March 21, 2012
#443381
Damn your car is dope now! Lookin forward to seeing what you cook up next
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Damn your car is dope now! Lookin forward to seeing what you cook up next
33flavorsMarch 21, 2012
#443383
taasinboy;443374 wrote:Dope Bro, welcome back. hopefully my car will be ready by the time your car comes in so i can keep up. I'm excited to see you update it and change it up, been watching you go through all those phases even back when it was black. lol. I am a fan. BTW, my question originally was about whether or not s14/s13 traction rods were a must if i wanted to achieve more camber and if they were compatible with the y33. I already ordered some s14 ones from wicked so i guess I'm gonna just wing it and try to see if it works.


S14 upper and lower control arms for the rear
S13 toe for the front if I'm not mistaken
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[QUOTE=taasinboy;443374]Dope Bro, welcome back. hopefully my car will be ready by the time your car comes in so i can keep up. I'm excited to see you update it and change it up, been watching you go through all those phases even back when it was black. lol. I am a fan. BTW, my question originally was about whether or not s14/s13 traction rods were a must if i wanted to achieve more camber and if they were compatible with the y33. I already ordered some s14 ones from wicked so i guess I'm gonna just wing it and try to see if it works.[/QUOTE]

S14 upper and lower control arms for the rear 
S13 toe for the front if I'm not mistaken
lamsvMarch 22, 2012
#443540
In to see results. Good lord your car is classy as is.
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In to see results. Good lord your car is classy as is.
DIRTYATLMarch 22, 2012
#443549
Nice Q sir :biggthumpup:
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Nice Q sir :biggthumpup:
taasinboyMarch 22, 2012
#443614
Thanks guys I definitely appreciate the comments and interest, don't get me wrong, I love my car and how it looks, I'm just getting bored from the classy look since I've been seeing it at this state for a few years now. Time for a change and a little more agressive look, but still rocking the class. I now can say I feel for those guys in Japan when they change their style every other year, it's just the feeling of a renewal of passion I guess.
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Thanks guys I definitely appreciate the comments and interest, don't get me wrong, I love my car and how it looks, I'm just getting bored from the classy look since I've been seeing it at this state for a few years now. Time for a change and a little more agressive look, but still rocking the class. I now can say I feel for those guys in Japan when they change their style every other year, it's just the feeling of a renewal of passion I guess.
chik-n-littleMarch 27, 2012
#444376
The tuck look is so gangsta on y33. I feel you tho on the new look with some poke and stuff
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The tuck look is so gangsta on y33. I feel you tho on the new look with some poke and stuff
KNEXXMarch 27, 2012
#444400
-69?! Damn that's so dope...
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-69?! Damn that's so dope...
naesMarch 27, 2012
#444466
Ollie;442644 wrote:I have over 5 degrees on stock ucas lol... aftermarket rucas and tractions rods and youll be good to go!


you talkin' about s13/14 rucas & traction rods or y33 rucas & traction rods?
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[QUOTE=Ollie;442644]I have over 5 degrees on stock ucas lol... aftermarket rucas and tractions rods and youll be good to go![/QUOTE]

you talkin' about s13/14 rucas & traction rods or y33 rucas & traction rods?
Alpine_cimAMarch 27, 2012
#444554
I'm using s14 toe rods and s13 ucas with no problems lots of ajustability
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I'm using s14 toe rods and s13 ucas with no problems lots of ajustability
taasinboyMarch 28, 2012
#444709
I went ahead and purchased some s14 wicked traction rods not knowing if they'll even fit. I'm hoping they do though, but there's only one way to find out I guess. Lol. Custom metal fenders came in so I'll post pics when I get the chance to mock them up. Looks like a ridiculous amount of bodywork is ahead of me. I also decided to redo my front bumper and add a little more chin to it similar to the old school classic VIP style look since I love that look. Tons of fiberglassing for that too is what's on the to do list. Thinking of actually starting the work once I figure out what kit I need to purchase and cut up for the custom front bumper project.
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I went ahead and purchased some s14 wicked traction rods not knowing if they'll even fit. I'm hoping they do though, but there's only one way to find out I guess. Lol. Custom metal fenders came in so I'll post pics when I get the chance to mock them up. Looks like a ridiculous amount of bodywork is ahead of me. I also decided to redo my front bumper and add a little more chin to it similar to the old school classic VIP style look since I love that look. Tons of fiberglassing for that too is what's on the to do list. Thinking of actually starting the work once I figure out what kit I need to purchase and cut up for the custom front bumper project.
BlitzMarch 28, 2012
#444745
I only did the rear arms and I tried to use all S14 designated parts. Upper control arm, traction arm and toe arm. I think traction arm you don't really need it but I could be wrong but UCA and Toe arm for sure. Just buy all 3 since they are fairly cheap from Megan.

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I only did the rear arms and I tried to use all S14 designated parts.  Upper control arm, traction arm and toe arm.   I think traction arm you don't really need it but I could be wrong but UCA and Toe arm for sure.   Just buy all 3 since they are fairly cheap from Megan.

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naesMarch 28, 2012
#444758
what happened to those ordens? were those ordens you had? but your car was lookin' good at wekfest man!!

photo cred by me :dance:
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what happened to those ordens? were those ordens you had? but your car was lookin' good at wekfest man!! 

photo cred by me :dance:
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taasinboyMarch 28, 2012
#444861
Blitz;444745 wrote:I only did the rear arms and I tried to use all S14 designated parts. Upper control arm, traction arm and toe arm. I think traction arm you don't really need it but I could be wrong but UCA and Toe arm for sure. Just buy all 3 since they are fairly cheap from Megan.

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Thanks for the pic and info bro, I appreciate the help.
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[QUOTE=Blitz;444745]I only did the rear arms and I tried to use all S14 designated parts.  Upper control arm, traction arm and toe arm.   I think traction arm you don't really need it but I could be wrong but UCA and Toe arm for sure.   Just buy all 3 since they are fairly cheap from Megan.

[IMG]http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll56/tony42378/Y33/P1030148.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Thanks for the pic and info bro, I appreciate the help.
taasinboyMarch 28, 2012
#444864
naes;444758 wrote:what happened to those ordens? were those ordens you had? but your car was lookin' good at wekfest man!!

photo cred by me :dance:
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Those wheels are actually work Varianza D3S which I still have on the car at the moment. IMO my car right now looks way too basic for the VIP scene and I just wanted to step it up and add more flare to it. Props for the pic dude!
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[QUOTE=naes;444758]what happened to those ordens? were those ordens you had? but your car was lookin' good at wekfest man!! 

photo cred by me :dance:
[IMG]http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly4s8tO1ZZ1qbts79o1_500.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Those wheels are actually work Varianza D3S which I still have on the car at the moment. IMO my car right now looks way too basic for the VIP scene and I just wanted to step it up and add more flare to it. Props for the pic dude!
naesMarch 29, 2012
#444947
taasinboy;444864 wrote:Those wheels are actually work Varianza D3S which I still have on the car at the moment. IMO my car right now looks way too basic for the VIP scene and I just wanted to step it up and add more flare to it. Props for the pic dude!


i know these are d3s you currently have. i was talking about the very first pic w/ the fat wheels you posted up. those looked like ordens? lol correct me if im wrong.
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[QUOTE=taasinboy;444864]Those wheels are actually work Varianza D3S which I still have on the car at the moment. IMO my car right now looks way too basic for the VIP scene and I just wanted to step it up and add more flare to it. Props for the pic dude![/QUOTE]

i know these are d3s you currently have. i was talking about the very first pic w/ the fat wheels you posted up. those looked like ordens? lol correct me if im wrong.
DranomMarch 29, 2012
#444951
what kit is that? jp or jds?
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what kit is that? jp or jds?
taasinboyMarch 29, 2012
#444972
naes;444947 wrote:i know these are d3s you currently have. i was talking about the very first pic w/ the fat wheels you posted up. those looked like ordens? lol correct me if im wrong.


Oh my bad bro I didn't know which wheels you were talking about exactly, but those are definitely Leon hardiritt ordens that are waiting to go on once I get my fenders done and my camber situated. I can't run those without cutting out te fender however some demon camber might do the trick haha.
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[QUOTE=naes;444947]i know these are d3s you currently have. i was talking about the very first pic w/ the fat wheels you posted up. those looked like ordens? lol correct me if im wrong.[/QUOTE]

Oh my bad bro I didn't know which wheels you were talking about exactly, but those are definitely Leon hardiritt ordens that are waiting to go on once I get my fenders done and my camber situated. I can't run those without cutting out te fender however some demon camber might do the trick haha.
taasinboyMarch 29, 2012
#444974
Dranom;444951 wrote:what kit is that? jp or jds?


Version select which is why I'm not so scared to cut it up and make some custom adjustments to it soon. Lol
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[QUOTE=Dranom;444951]what kit is that? jp or jds?[/QUOTE]

Version select which is why I'm not so scared to cut it up and make some custom adjustments to it soon. Lol
naesMarch 29, 2012
#445051
taasinboy;444972 wrote:Oh my bad bro I didn't know which wheels you were talking about exactly, but those are definitely Leon hardiritt ordens that are waiting to go on once I get my fenders done and my camber situated. I can't run those without cutting out te fender however some demon camber might do the trick haha.


haha nice! when you get those wheels on, we should link up & put in a shoot! :biggthumpup:
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[QUOTE=taasinboy;444972]Oh my bad bro I didn't know which wheels you were talking about exactly, but those are definitely Leon hardiritt ordens that are waiting to go on once I get my fenders done and my camber situated. I can't run those without cutting out te fender however some demon camber might do the trick haha.[/QUOTE]

haha nice! when you get those wheels on, we should link up & put in a shoot! :biggthumpup:
taasinboyMarch 30, 2012
#445198
naes;445051 wrote:haha nice! when you get those wheels on, we should link up & put in a shoot! :biggthumpup:


Sounds good bro, Let's hope this project gets done soon.
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[QUOTE=naes;445051]haha nice! when you get those wheels on, we should link up & put in a shoot! :biggthumpup:[/QUOTE]

Sounds good bro, Let's hope this project gets done soon.
naesMarch 30, 2012
#445247
taasinboy;445198 wrote:Sounds good bro, Let's hope this project gets done soon.


hopefully!

Find me on fb or something through my website

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[QUOTE=taasinboy;445198]Sounds good bro, Let's hope this project gets done soon.[/QUOTE]

hopefully! 

Find me on fb or something through my website 

vvvvv[B]CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW[/B]vvvvv
taasinboyApril 10, 2012
#446987
Update!! I've actually created a build thread instead of posting on this one so if you all want updates, refer to the new one

http://www.vipstylecars.com/forums/showthread.php?p=446986#post446986
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Update!! I've actually created a build thread instead of posting on this one so if you all want updates, refer to the new one 

[url]http://www.vipstylecars.com/forums/showthread.php?p=446986#post446986[/url]
33flavorsApril 11, 2012
#447077
i think i saw your car posted up in waipahu
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i think i saw your car posted up in waipahu
taasinboyApril 11, 2012
#447078
33flavors;447077 wrote:i think i saw your car posted up in waipahu


Now I'm starting to believe that there's someone with the exact same kit and wheels as me. You're the second person to tell me they saw my car this week. Good thing I'm in the process of changing it up. Btw you'll mainly see me driving in Waikiki on the weekends cause thats where I live and I only take it out on the weekends if any.
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[QUOTE=33flavors;447077]i think i saw your car posted up in waipahu[/QUOTE]

Now I'm starting to believe that there's someone with the exact same kit and wheels as me. You're the second person to tell me they saw my car this week. Good thing I'm in the process of changing it up.  Btw you'll mainly see me driving in Waikiki on the weekends cause thats where I live and I only take it out on the weekends if any.