I increased my camber and now my car looks lower

I went from 2.0 to 3.0 negative camber. 

and now it appears to be lower , I did not adjust my coilovers at all. It's closer to tsuraichi and the gap between the fender and wheel lip have now gotten closer.

is this just a visual effect of increased camber?

i think it would as ur wheels camber inside the wheels well.. leading the body to go down lower...

It is lower.

check out my older thread..
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[SIZE=1][COLOR=sandybrown]I think I am pretty sure as to why I am sitting lower than expected..here is my theory.[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE=1][COLOR=sandybrown]When at a certain hieght and front tires or rear tires have no camber everything is fine.[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE=1][COLOR=sandybrown]When you add camber the wheel cuts in pushing the suspension down. When you add a spacer you push down the suspension even more because the now the hub is extended do to the spacers, thus pushing down the car. That can only explain how I keep droping lower and lower with the adjustment I am doing..here is a diagram:[/COLOR][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=1][COLOR=#f4a460]now just take out the fact of the spacers..[/COLOR][/SIZE]

oh yeah and there are places that I started scraping that I never have before..took the camber out and the scraping went away..The one thing here is that some may say it doesnt but if they are not low enough to begin with then it will be hard for them to tell...

i think, its pretty much the same. as you tilt the tire (negative camber) the top, outer (portion closest to the fender) tilts upward closer to the fender, the lower inner (portion touching the ground tilts downward. added weight now not distributed across the entire contact patch of the tire, now sits on the inner portion of the tire keeps the car at the same ride height. imo....

Its very possibel that your car is "actually" higher by a quarter of an inch +/- or so.  But it will most definitely appear to be lower if you just look at the fender/tire gap...  The reason I say it may be higher is because as you increase your camper the wheel/tire is actually taller from corner to corner.  Its probably not enough to notice.  But the difference in tire/ fender gap is surely enough to notice.

germanfoks your right, this was also my suspicion all along.

it brought the outside lip up closer to the fender, the overall height has also been raised a bit because the total vertical distance has been increased.

wow this is actually very nice surprise,  my front is about 1.75-2" away from tsuraichi.

[quote=Germanfolks;87772]Its very possibel that your car is "actually" higher by a quarter of an inch +/- or so.  But it will most definitely appear to be lower if you just look at the fender/tire gap...  The reason I say it may be higher is because as you increase your camper the wheel/tire is actually taller from corner to corner.  Its probably not enough to notice.  But the difference in tire/ fender gap is surely enough to notice.[/quote]

no its not higher..I tell you what..lower your coilovers till you all most scrape something and pull out your camber...then max out your camber and hear your self scrape..it did to benjis rear of his car and to mine front and back...you have to be low enough to understand whats going on here..not to say that germanfolks poinst are not valid but I have done several adjustments with and without camber...with and with out spacers added to the camber..I add camber and I scape where I never did before WHY>????? and everytime its the same things..adding camber pushes the suspension down..but like I said if your not LOW ENOUGH YOU CANT TELL..

If I was not slammed on coilovers in the front I would not notice..IF I had no  front camber adjustments I would never have known this..If I was on springs and just could adjust the rear camber than most likely I would not be able to tell..but Benji has customized springs and he is low enough in the rear to see what I am saying and he scapes now places he did not before..now he is on springs in front and not low enough in the front yet to see how maxing out your front camber will lower your car more..may not much when your riding high but when your rideing low  .5 inches matter if you scrape or not..then you know what I mean..

i would think if u're cambered, u're drving on the corner of the tire.
wouldn't it be slightly higher?

It would be lower but by mm's not inches.

mm can turn into inches when you have heavy - camber^^^^ 
 
think about it like this..your whole car is on the wieght of the corner of the tire vs the tread of the tire..the inner part of your wheel will be closer to the road as well..another thing to think about.
 
When you lower your car any method do your wheels naturally camber in or out?? + or - ??
Most cars I know camber in meaning - so the same thing applies..by cambering in = -, 
the suspension pushes down a little bit..the more you - camber you put the more your suspension is pushed down..thus lowering your car a little bit more..THe only thing I can say is..folks that have ther car low enough and mess with there suspension and camber and spacers should know that this is what happens..ifThe guys taht have not then you really cant say either way only hear say....so I leave you with this..if any of you have adjustable coilovers...lower your car down till the point were you almost scrape on speedbump..go home max out your front camber plates max out your rear camber adjustments and see if now you can still make it without scraping..
 
BTW This is my daily drive hieght.
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zion what are u saying?

messing with camber +- will or may affect height my mm's, NOT inches. This is assuming nothing else has been changed.

yes sir

Having gone through this in another thread (another forum) with Zion, i think the answer is yes... it will lower the car, but only around 1/2" or so for 3 degrees. This is based on the pivot point of your front suspension (which is not correct in Zion's pic), but also because you are now putting more weight on one side of the tyre, which will now compress slightly more than if you were spreading the load evenly.
 
This can be seen if you take an oldschool matchbox car and stand on it. The car will lower itself by bending the axles and getting cambered

so the pivot point should be lower right ? Unlike Zion's diagram which shows it to be higher.



[quote=Dominik;87916]Having gone through this in another thread (another forum) with Zion, i think the answer is yes... it will lower the car, but only around 1/2" or so for 3 degrees. This is based on the pivot point of your front suspension (which is not correct in Zion's pic), but also because you are now putting more weight on one side of the tyre, which will now compress slightly more than if you were spreading the load evenly.
 
This can be seen if you take an oldschool matchbox car and stand on it. The car will lower itself by bending the axles and getting cambered[/quote]

I am not familiar with what exactly what parts are called. The diagram is more about seeing how the suspension works and placemnet of your tires,,when I was trying to figure out why this same thing happen to me is when I made this diagram..and when I added the 25mm spacer it even pushed me lower...so I tried to figure that out and came up with this.. but I do know that either way you look at it more - camber = lower......camber plus spacers will even add more because now your hub is angled more guess you guys have to actually look at what happens to totally understand..once again it will not really effect your daily drivein unless your low enough where mm make a difference.:coolugh:

Zion is right, when you max out your camber at the pivot points it will lower your car  even though the vertical distance of your rim is greater.  One thing that also needs to be taken into consideration is the stretch of your tires.  Considering that on an unstretched tire, the contact patch of that tire is flat so the height will be the same all the way across, and on stretched tires the contact patch is in more of a curved state, so when you add more negative camber on your car you will be sitting on the lower side the "U" shape of the tire thus lowering your car without lowering your suspension.  One other thing to look at is that tires were not designed to be sitting on the corner of the contact patch which will allow the tire more flex. So looking at something as small as even tire pressure will determine how much give the tire has, and how much "lower" it will make your car.  So with that, whether it lowers your car mm's or inches really don't matter all that much unless you are like Zion when a minute amount of lowering will determine if you scrape or not.

My rear bumper is now scraping everywhere now that my rear fenders are halfway down the outer sidewalls when they previously were at the top of the tread. For having springs, I thought it was cool to add camber to close the wheel/fender gap because I previously wanted to get coilovers to do so.