rolling fender or cutting fenders?

i am planning to get my fender done that way i add a spacer and push the wheel more toward the fender. i have searched thru the site and couldnt find info on which one is better..cutting the fenders or rolling. i just dont want the fenders to start rusting so what is the best option. Please help!

Roll them, make sure you use a heat gun when doing so to make the metal and paint more pliable during the job which will lessen the chances of damage by far and make the job that much easier.

I'm glad someone posted this question...What are the pros and cons to each procedure, cuz I want to go lower and it's necessary to do one or the other. Most ppl I know have them removed.thx ahead...

i was told by some dushh than it better to cut than roll. but i think cutting is bad period as it has a higher chance to rust as well as leave sharp edges and might pop the tire of they are close to the fender.

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[quote=implayaz9;101467]i was told by some dushh than it better to cut than roll. but i think cutting is bad period as it has a higher chance to rust as well as leave sharp edges and might pop the tire of they are close to the fender.[/quote]

After its cut you sand it down with sand paper and either spray the inside with the outisde masked or use touch up paint. No sharp edges, no rust. After having done both I prefer cut fenders, at least on a lexus.

Anyone who has tried rolling the fenders on a lexus knows how thick the metal is on the rear quarters.  If I was to do it again on a Lexus I would cut.   Other cars, roll fenders.

[QUOTE=nizzan4u2nv;101473]After its cut you sand it down with sand paper and either spray the inside with the outisde masked or use touch up paint. No sharp edges, no rust. After having done both I prefer cut fenders, at least on a lexus.[/QUOTE]

Yeh that's what I saw Pancakes doin'. What tool should I look into using? Some ppl are telling me to uas a Dremel w/ a cutting bit. They say it works, but it takes a long time and I may need to go through a bunch of bits. After that I plan on using it to grind down the edge then T-up paint. Will that be the best way if I choose to do it myself or are there other ideas that I can use?

not having time for me to do much modding anymore, i had the fenders rolled on my LS430, and i would not recomended unless you know what you need to do with that particular fender. (especially "flawless motoring" WHAT A JOKE! they didnt know what there doing, after they've told me that "we have done this many time") 

the fender on the LEXUS has the fender guard/molding which is attached to the fender per screws. the fender has a "cutout" where the screws go, and this is a weak spot on the fender due to it being a single sheet, instead of 2 sheets of metal. what happens here is that the sheet metal does not stay hold to the "rolled" shape, thus it flexs backs to its original shape, while other areas are rolled. now you end up with wavy fenders.

i should've grind the inner lip myself. ive done this prior on my xB, and i used rust inhibator, painted and siliconed the area with no rust thereafter. 

if you have the factory fender molding on yur LEXUS, then have a reputable shop with recomendations from our members from this site help you.

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i rather roll than cut...when you roll, you're pulling (slightly) at the same time...
 
the benefits of rolling are maximum clearance and won't have problems later down the line when/if you decide to go with more aggressive offsets because you can roll/pull more...
 
the downside is, especially with lexus', they have metal tabs and when you roll your fenders, they kink and bow in...it really depends on how much you roll or pull you need to do...if you're a perfectionist, you will need your fenders body worked and painted again...
 
when cutting, its not so much the rust you need to worry about (self etching primer takes care of that)...it's more about the thinness of the fender...once you cut the inner lip, that's it...no more getting it back...later down the line if you decide to go more aggressive and need to pull your fenders, no go...it will look horrible...also, if you cut and there's still not enough clearence, it will shred your tires if you continue to rub...

the easiest and most proficient way is to use 
 
1. a cutoff wheel
 
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2. a grinder (attatched to hose) to smooth your cut if you're not good with the cutoff wheel
 
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and like bippu said, use a rust inhibator, primer and coat it with some rubberized undercoating...

[QUOTE=VIP-UCF;101483] 
when cutting, its not so much the rust you need to worry about (self etching primer takes care of that)...it's more about the thinness of the fender...once you cut the inner lip, that's it...no more getting it back...later down the line if you decide to go more aggressive and need to pull your fenders, no go...it will look horrible...also, if you cut and there's still not enough clearence, it will shred your tires if you continue to rub...[/QUOTE]

also, if you "cut" off the inner lip too much, yur inner and outer fender will split from the weld, and may run into problems down the road. may cause ripples and weak panel structures. more waves . . . .

I had my rear fenders cut.  The inner lip on the F50 is over an inch so I was rubbing at stock height even on stretched tires and conservative offsets.  I had them pulled later on

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[quote=bippU!;101486]also, if you "cut" off the inner lip too much, yur inner and outer fender will split from the weld, and may run into problems down the road. may cause ripples and weak panel structures. more waves . . . .[/quote]
 
yup...you never want to cut all the way to the edge...i would leave roughly 1/4"

thx guys, i got alot to think about...

guys i have an accord so i was planning on cutting it or roling it. i guess u guys think cutting is better so i will go with that.

[QUOTE=implayaz9;101492]guys i have an accord so i was planning on cutting it or roling it. i guess u guys think cutting is better so i will go with that.[/QUOTE]
I don't think cutting is better, it's only better depending on the circumstances surrounding your fitment and what your overall plans are.

cool. elpresidente! i will see what i can do but most people have told me i should just roll them as its a honda and not that hard to roll them

first option, depending on yur fitment.
1. roll
2. pull

second option, but these options do not apply if you done the first option.
3. grind
4. cut

third option, when all fails.
5. body modification.

thank you!

roll it, dont cut it, if you look closely, there are spot welds. spot welds hold 2 panels or more together. if cut/trim the inner lip off and cut past/off the spot welds, whats now holding the 2 panels together? nothing? it wont be that day, or the next, or next week, but somewhere down the road, when you hit that pot hole, or angle up that driveway, or something that involves twisting the chassis or your car, those 2 panels will begin to separate....  resulting in buckling of the rear quarter panel, dents, rust, road noise, etc.... 

if you do cut it, weld it back, but then you'll most likely have to bodywork/prime/paint.... 

some car, dont have spot welds there. that you can cut. just look closely....

i think it is better to roll than cut.  my rear is cut though.  the front was rolled cuz it didnt need that much modding.

Since you have an accord just roll it.  I rolled the rear fenders on my RL and it was super easy.  Honda rear quarters are very thin.  Just use a heat gun and go slow.

honda's paint sucks...your paint will DEFINITELY crack and peel...

although there have been very good explanations on the process i still dont understand the process for a basic cut. When you cut the quarter panel, do you cut the whole lip so it creates a razor sharp edge or leave a little and roll that small peice flat? most cars that i have seen that had them cut had a  very sharp edge. is there a way to do this without bodywork and not have a sharp edge?

[QUOTE=volkgt7;101894]although there have been very good explanations on the process i still dont understand the process for a basic cut. When you cut the quarter panel, do you cut the whole lip so it creates a razor sharp edge or leave a little and roll that small peice flat? most cars that i have seen that had them cut had a  very sharp edge. is there a way to do this without bodywork and not have a sharp edge?[/QUOTE]

Yo, how is your ride setup? It looks pretty low. Do you have rolled lips and/or really streched tires? Or  a combination of those and pulled fenders.

[quote=volkgt7;101894]although there have been very good explanations on the process i still dont understand the process for a basic cut. When you cut the quarter panel, do you cut the whole lip so it creates a razor sharp edge or leave a little and roll that small peice flat? most cars that i have seen that had them cut had a very sharp edge. is there a way to do this without bodywork and not have a sharp edge?[/quote]
 
First I measured where the rim hits, then I used a airsaw to cut as much of the lip that I needed, then you can use a drill to smooth/sand any ruf surfaces or whatnot! Mines wasn't and isn't that sharp! It won't slice my tire or hasen't and it should have buy now but if done right it will give you clearence for no rubbing! Also make sure you add touch up paint to the areas cut to prevent rust! :biggthumpup:

thanks PANCAKES! and augdogg. my quarters are rolled... rolled preety bad....actually a slight pull. i used no heatgun and it was originally rolled really lightly with a baseball bat from my old setup(20x9.5+33 in the rear and 20x8.5+42 in the front) . i knew that  my car was going to the body shop all winter(where it is now), so i really did not care how bad lt looked. when i put my new setup on this summer 20x10.5+24 in the rear and 19x9.5+40 in the front. i plan on running 15 mil spacers on the front next year but as of yet i have no fender modifications on the front. i just wanted to know ther right way to do things for the future
B.T.W i am running 235/35/19  in the front and 275/30.20 in the rear here is my fitment:
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[quote=VIP-UCF;101517]honda's paint sucks...your paint will DEFINITELY crack and peel...[/quote]
u recommendin? cut or roll?

haha...damn...good question...
 
for hondas, probably cut...but then agian, i don't recommend cutting at all...if you roll, you may need to repaint...
 
you can cut the paint to the edge of the fender to keep the cracking inside the slit...it really depends how much clearance you need...

[quote=PANCAKES!;101905]First I measured where the rim hits, then I used a airsaw to cut as much of the lip that I needed, then you can use a drill to smooth/sand any ruf surfaces or whatnot! Mines wasn't and isn't that sharp! It won't slice my tire or hasen't and it should have buy now but if done right it will give you clearence for no rubbing! Also make sure you add touch up paint to the areas cut to prevent rust! :biggthumpup:[/quote]
 
 
touch up paint wont prevent rust...

[quote=VIP-UCF;101983]touch up paint wont prevent rust...[/quote]
 
Sure it will! :smiley:
hahahahaha!