Thread #8033

Wheel upsizing needs brake upgrades?

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kreasimsNovember 29, 2007
#110499

Wheel upsizing needs brake upgrades?

Does wheel up sizing needs brake upgrades?

When you upsize your wheel, most tyre website recommend to stay within 3% from the original tyre diameter so you would not have the risk of brake failure. From my experience (up sizing 4" from original), I feel the braking ability is actually decreased, even though my wheel diameter is within the 3% tolerance.

Solved the problem by changing my brake pads. Anyhow, after driving around for a while, my factory disc ruined....
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Does wheel up sizing needs brake upgrades?

When you upsize your wheel, most tyre website recommend to stay within 3% from the original tyre diameter so you would not have the risk of brake failure. From my experience (up sizing 4" from original), I feel the braking ability is actually decreased, even though my wheel diameter is within the 3% tolerance.

Solved the problem by changing my brake pads. Anyhow, after driving around for a while, my factory disc ruined....
volkgt7November 29, 2007
#110514
with bigger wheels, even if they are lighter than the original, they still have increased mass witch in turn increases enertia and reduces the ability to stop. that is why you put more stress on your brakes
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with bigger wheels, even if they are lighter than the original, they still have increased mass witch in turn increases enertia and reduces the ability to stop. that is why you put more stress on your brakes
Don HenleyNovember 29, 2007
#110624
I think Volk pretty much summed it up pretty well..

How did you increase your wheel diameter by 4" but stay within 3% of the original over diameter of your stock wheel/tire combo? I am pretty sure a 19" wheel with a 35 series tire is taller than a 15" wheel with a 65 series tire...
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I think Volk pretty much summed it up pretty well..

How did you increase your wheel diameter by 4" but stay within 3% of the original over diameter of your stock wheel/tire combo? I am pretty sure a 19" wheel with a 35 series tire is taller than a 15" wheel with a 65 series tire...
CaoboyNovember 29, 2007
#110634
Not true.

I went from a 225/55/16 (it may have been a 205/55/16 I'll have to check) to a 235/35/19 and it was the same outer diameter.

There's a tire size calculator in the tutorials/diy's that will show you if you are in spec of your stock tires or not.

If anything, you could always upgrade your brakes. You have a maxima right? Can't you run z32 brakes or q45 brakes? (i'm not sure, but i think i have heard this before)
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Not true. 
 
I went from a 225/55/16 (it may have been a 205/55/16 I'll have to check) to a 235/35/19 and it was the same outer diameter. 
 
There's a tire size calculator in the tutorials/diy's that will show you if you are in spec of your stock tires or not.
 
If anything, you could always upgrade your brakes. You have a maxima right? Can't you run z32 brakes or q45 brakes? (i'm not sure, but i think i have heard this before)
kreasimsNovember 29, 2007
#110643
Don Henley;110624 wrote:I think Volk pretty much summed it up pretty well..

How did you increase your wheel diameter by 4" but stay within 3% of the original over diameter of your stock wheel/tire combo? I am pretty sure a 19" wheel with a 35 series tire is taller than a 15" wheel with a 65 series tire...


Stock wheels 195/65/15 (total 24.98"), to 225/35/19 (total 25.20"). That's how...:biggthumpup:
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[quote=Don Henley;110624]I think Volk pretty much summed it up pretty well..

How did you increase your wheel diameter by 4" but stay within 3% of the original over diameter of your stock wheel/tire combo? I am pretty sure a 19" wheel with a 35 series tire is taller than a 15" wheel with a 65 series tire...[/quote]

Stock wheels 195/65/15 (total 24.98"), to 225/35/19 (total 25.20"). That's how...:biggthumpup:
kaizerNovember 29, 2007
#110644
A32 should be able to bolt on the whole front brake assembly of R32
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A32 should be able to bolt on the whole front brake assembly of R32
kreasimsNovember 29, 2007
#110646
Caoboy;110634 wrote:Not true.

I went from a 225/55/16 (it may have been a 205/55/16 I'll have to check) to a 235/35/19 and it was the same outer diameter.

There's a tire size calculator in the tutorials/diy's that will show you if you are in spec of your stock tires or not.

If anything, you could always upgrade your brakes. You have a maxima right? Can't you run z32 brakes or q45 brakes? (i'm not sure, but i think i have heard this before)


I have a Honda Stream. Thanks for the advice. I have two options now, getting new OEM accord brake system in front, keep the drum at rear, OR getting aftermarket street brake system in front and move the OEM Nissin system to the rear (gotta buy a new disc though). Need some modification but it can be done.

1st option is much cheaper than the second one. What do you think?
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[quote=Caoboy;110634]Not true. 
 
I went from a 225/55/16 (it may have been a 205/55/16 I'll have to check) to a 235/35/19 and it was the same outer diameter. 
 
There's a tire size calculator in the tutorials/diy's that will show you if you are in spec of your stock tires or not.
 
If anything, you could always upgrade your brakes. You have a maxima right? Can't you run z32 brakes or q45 brakes? (i'm not sure, but i think i have heard this before)[/quote]

I have a Honda Stream. Thanks for the advice. I have two options now, getting new OEM accord brake system in front, keep the drum at rear, OR getting aftermarket street brake system in front and move the OEM Nissin system to the rear (gotta buy a new disc though). Need some modification but it can be done.

1st option is much cheaper than the second one. What do you think?
CaoboyNovember 29, 2007
#110671
How much cheaper? That would be a deciding factor for me. Is the aftermarket kit a 4 pot system or a bigger 2 pot or what? What about the accord calipers?

What sizes and what's the price for both. If it's not too much more, or its substantially a better braking system over the accord, I'd shoot for the aftermarket one. Also, what brand is the aftermarket one?
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How much cheaper? That would be a deciding factor for me. Is the aftermarket kit a 4 pot system or a bigger 2 pot or what? What about the accord calipers? 

What sizes and what's the price for both. If it's not too much more, or its substantially a better braking system over the accord, I'd shoot for the aftermarket one. Also, what brand is the aftermarket one?
kreasimsNovember 30, 2007
#110912
Caoboy;110671 wrote:How much cheaper? That would be a deciding factor for me. Is the aftermarket kit a 4 pot system or a bigger 2 pot or what? What about the accord calipers?

What sizes and what's the price for both. If it's not too much more, or its substantially a better braking system over the accord, I'd shoot for the aftermarket one. Also, what brand is the aftermarket one?


The brake is 14" endless basic 4 pot system (w/o braided hose) compared with nissin OEM accord (I'm not sure whether is 2 or 4 pot). Price for endless is more than double than nissin.
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[quote=Caoboy;110671]How much cheaper? That would be a deciding factor for me. Is the aftermarket kit a 4 pot system or a bigger 2 pot or what? What about the accord calipers? 

What sizes and what's the price for both. If it's not too much more, or its substantially a better braking system over the accord, I'd shoot for the aftermarket one. Also, what brand is the aftermarket one?[/quote]

The brake is 14" endless basic 4 pot system (w/o braided hose) compared with nissin OEM accord (I'm not sure whether is 2 or 4 pot). Price for endless is more than double than nissin.
Don HenleyNovember 30, 2007
#111027
I don't think you need 14" endless brakes on your steam just because it has 19s..
Why not try to fit some NSX brakes onto your system?
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I don't think you need 14" endless brakes on your steam just because it has 19s..
Why not try to fit some NSX brakes onto your system?
kreasimsNovember 30, 2007
#111033
Agree with you. Problem is, it is easier to get endless rather than NSX brakes. Hardly seen the car on local streets. Any other suggestion?
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Agree with you. Problem is, it is easier to get endless rather than NSX brakes. Hardly seen the car on local streets. Any other suggestion?
Don HenleyNovember 30, 2007
#111041
Why is it easier to get endless brakes over NSX brakes? Not enough used parts out in your area? Try finding some calipers/rotors on e-Bay, or honda based websites, they're not too hard to find especially since a lot of road racing Honda guys love NSX brakes..

I'm sure rotora makes 12" 4pot brake setups that cost a fraction of Endless brakes..
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Why is it easier to get endless brakes over NSX brakes? Not enough used parts out in your area? Try finding some calipers/rotors on e-Bay, or honda based websites, they're not too hard to find especially since a lot of road racing Honda guys love NSX brakes..

I'm sure rotora makes 12" 4pot brake setups that cost a fraction of Endless brakes..
kreasimsNovember 30, 2007
#111044
Rotora? Hmm... lemme check who's bringing in that brand to my country.
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Rotora? Hmm... lemme check who's bringing in that brand to my country.
Don HenleyDecember 1, 2007
#111403
If anything, I'm sure there's a few people willing to pick up a set for you either in the States or even in Asia, and ship them out to you.
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If anything, I'm sure there's a few people willing to pick up a set for you either in the States or even in Asia, and ship them out to you.