REAR CAMBER ADJUSTMENT A32

Is it possible to permanently adjust the rear axle to have a very negative camber on an A32?  And how hard would it be to do it?  I understand there will be some bending involved...and nothing I could do...hahaha

Thanks,
Aaron

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Its not as complicated on an a32 since its fwd. Youd have to have an alignment pro do something like this, or else youll have a permanently f'd up alignment. Westend Alignment in Gardena CA used to bend beams to 0 toe on b chassis nissans, might wanna give them a call. I think their specialist is Darin, but I havent been active in that community for awhile now.

You've got to get the beam bent on the rear and by the way its designed I don't see any real safe way of doing so. I know many out there who have had the beam bent for toe correction purposes and I was thinking about getting mine bent until I actually went and looked at it on the car. I say get a beam from the junkyard and see what can be done with that one first before bending the one thats actually on the car.

I live in the Northeast US, so no where near CA.  But thanks for the information guys!  Do you happen to know the process involved in bending the rear axle?  Mine is a solid axle without idependent rear suspension (FWD).

bending the beam is the only way that i know of, but it would not be functional. on irs camber increases as the suspension compresses. on a bent solid rear beam it would not. it would work if all you wanteed was the look of camber, but it will not help clearance issues.

[QUOTE=BLACKonBLACK98;123824]bending the beam is the only way that i know of, but it would not be functional. on irs camber increases as the suspension compresses. on a bent solid rear beam it would not. it would work if all you wanteed was the look of camber, but it will not help clearance issues.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, but then when you compress hard, you'll be scraping the middle of the wheel instead of the top. Doesn't get more gangsta than that.:biggthumpup:


You guys need to start doing IRS conversions, the same way minitruckers do their 4-links.

but you'd have the gap when you were uncompressed/layed out. weak...

If I bent the rear beam I would probably not be driving the car much.  I would be using coilovers and not an air suspension, since it would be more of a project then a "daily driver".

I basically want the rear of my Maxima to look like this:

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What cars have an IRS that will fit an A32?

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What cars have an IRS that will fit an A32?[/quote]
 
It would all have to be mocked up from scratch unfortunately. From the pic above I think you can safely get that amount of camber from bending. I was thinking you were going for that -8 degree or more look. I say find someone reputable to do it and make sure that your toe specs aren't too off when done. Rear beam suspension sucks!!! (I own an A32 too so dont think I'm raggin on you!)

you can make it look like that... when its sitting still. actually, with that mild  camber and slightly sunken wheel you might be able to make it happen.

[QUOTE]I was thinking you were going for that -8 degree or more look.[/QUOTE]

How much camber do you think is in the picture above?

[QUOTE]you can make it look like that... when its sitting still.[/QUOTE]

Why only when it's sitting still?

with irs the wheel gains negative camber as the suspension compresses so it clears the fender. with a bent beam when the suspension compressed it would still move straight up and down so your wheels would be hittin your fenders.

Well wouldn't the permanent negative camber added to the rear beam make it so it clears the fenders (depending on the wheel)?

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OK, I understand now.  With an IRS more camber is given to each wheel when the car bounces up and down while driving.  So, can't I just set the correct amount of camber with a good wheel fitment and the problem wouldn't exist?

i dont see why not. the camber would have to be set so the wheel is flush as it passes the fender, just barely clearing it. that way you can get the wheel as close to the fender as possible and clear at all axle positions, thus giving the disired look and clearance. also, it must be noted that since it is a soild axle you will have camber changes when the axle articulates. if the right side goes up over a large object, the  left side will actually gain positive camber and possibly causing the wheel to hit the fender. this is why you wll not be able to have one of those fitments where the lip of the wheel clears the fender by a sheet of paper. just the look of camber and the added clearence. The way an irs car gains camber through suspension compression is called a camber curve. B.T.W. this usually happens at a progressive rate. that is why you only really have to make sure you have clearance where the wheel  meets the fender. it can stick out when the wheel is above the fender line and sink in when under as long as it clears that one point. no positive camber is gained  because of the opposite side of the car rolling over something

the fitment would not be good. you could set the camber where the top of the wheel is sunk in but you still have to account for compression since it will cross the face of the wheel. basically the top of the wheel would have to be more sunken in than it would be without camber. for instance the pic you posted, if that fender was to move down without the wheel cambering in it would hit at 10 and 2 (o'' clock) under very little compression.

u are probably right.... i really dont think it is quite as big of a deal becuse the wheel wont be tucking all that much
the back wheelwells of those cars are preety shallow and at that point the axle will have been bottomed out

Thanks for the info guys.  I wish someone would come out of the closet and say they have bent a Maxima rear axle before...

Basically on an axle type rear sus, by bending for camber, you're actually limiting suspension travel.

Like what firelizard says, on a non flushed setup, you'll be scraping the middle edge instead of the top.

But if you go flush with zero fender gap, you'll be severely limiting your suspension travel as the wheel can't tuck

[quote=Aaronhl;124514]Thanks for the info guys. I wish someone would come out of the closet and say they have bent a Maxima rear axle before...[/quote]
its been done on the .org a couple times that i know of.

I don't think it has.  I think what they did was set the toe to zero to get better handling.

you might be right. i searched and came up with a bunch of toe threads. i could've sworn i read that somebody did it though...

instead of bending the rear dead, solid axle (which in my opinion, doesnt seem that safe) they got these things called camber/toe shims. they go bolt between the brake assembly and the axle. one side is thicker than the other side and depending on what position you install it, it can adjust your camber, toe, or both at the same time. that method seems more logical (to me) rather than bending the rear axle. i have to install these shims on cars that come into my shop thats lowered, solid rear axle, and want to get their alignment within spec, ie corolla, maxima, sentra. or for guys that want to camber the rear with clearance issues, ie scions...
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or cut, grind, weld it back on!
 
but only if you wanna run like -10* at all times liek me lol

[quote=mista808;126872]instead of bending the rear dead, solid axle (which in my opinion, doesnt seem that safe) they got these things called camber/toe shims. they go bolt between the brake assembly and the axle. one side is thicker than the other side and depending on what position you install it, it can adjust your camber, toe, or both at the same time. that method seems more logical (to me) rather than bending the rear axle. i have to install these shims on cars that come into my shop thats lowered, solid rear axle, and want to get their alignment within spec, ie corolla, maxima, sentra. or for guys that want to camber the rear with clearance issues, ie scions...
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I was also looking into that.  Where can I buy them?

I think I will have to get a universal shim for my Maxima.  I don't think someone makes a set specifically for an A32. Is it possible for you to sell me a set of them?

[quote=mista808;126872]instead of bending the rear dead, solid axle (which in my opinion, doesnt seem that safe) they got these things called camber/toe shims. they go bolt between the brake assembly and the axle. one side is thicker than the other side and depending on what position you install it, it can adjust your camber, toe, or both at the same time. that method seems more logical (to me) rather than bending the rear axle. i have to install these shims on cars that come into my shop thats lowered, solid rear axle, and want to get their alignment within spec, ie corolla, maxima, sentra. or for guys that want to camber the rear with clearance issues, ie scions...
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This is a good suggestion except for the fact that these arent made for cars with rear disc brakes. Northstar does't even have a part number for the rear of our cars. It will change the angle of the hub assembly but the angle of the brake calipers are going to be the same as before the shim was installed. You probably wouldn't be able to reassemble the brakes either especially after a new pad installation.
 
Aaronhl: There is no other method to changing the rear camber out there unless you are going to bend. Sorry to end the wet dream like that but thats just how it is.

that option look decent if you could figure out the brake issue, but it doesn't change the fact that it would be static camber. to me thats like stretching a tire when you don't need to. camber has become part of the style to the point where some may forget its original purpose (clearance).

Thanks for the replies.  I'm just getting bored with my Maxima because I have done everything I could possible do to it already.

I like the rear camber style, that's why I want to do it.  So mista808, have you really installed these on a Maxima before?

i've seen your maxima a bunch of times, and while its definitely cleaner than your average, you haven't come anywhere close to doing all you can do to it.

Like what?  I'm not talking performance.

whats performance? lol. air, interior, body mods, lighting, a/v etc. what have you really done besides a drop, kit, and wheels? maybe i just don't know how much you have done to your car but it doesn't look that heavily modded. don't take it the wrong way, you s**t is clean.

I'm not into all that flashy interior stuff.  I had a subwoofer, TV, and blue lights on the inside of my 96.  I didn't do any of that to my 98 because it was pretty pointless.  I know the interior inside and out, it's just not my style.  I would rather have a clean, spotless interior than one with gay audio/video stuff that you just put in there to show off.

I know how to change a suspension, but don't want to go with airbags.  I try to keep my Maximas as reliable as possible (not saying airbags are not reliable).  I've been through like 5 exhausts and I have tried to get my car as low as possible with coilovers.

Body work is unnecessary, for example shaved door handles.  That's more on an inconvenience to me.

I'm not trying to brag, but it's getting boring since I know how to do everything, even mechanically.  Not to mention all my friends come to me when they have problems with their's.  HAHAHA

no, but you can do fenders, hoods, grills, bumpers, flares to fit larger wheels, puddle lights, garson items, etc etc

i can dig it aaron, and theres definitely nothing wrong with trying to figure out a solution if you really want camber.

[quote=Yokotas13;127130]no, but you can do fenders, hoods, grills, bumpers, flares to fit larger wheels, puddle lights, garson items, etc etc[/quote]

Yea, but what is available for Maximas look horrible...I want something clean looking.

[quote=BLACKonBLACK98]i can dig it aaron, and theres definitely nothing wrong with trying to figure out a solution if you really want camber.[/quote]

It would be cool if it could be done, since it really hasn't been done before.  I will probably just end up buying a newer car anyway.  HAHAHA

i can get some decent looking fenders for the maxima. i was going to get them when i was thinking i wasn't going to do the front end conversion.

Do you have a picture of them?

i don't have a pic of the actual maxima set, but they are this style.
 
[IMG]http://www.mimousa.com/products/976_b.jpg[/IMG]

[quote=Aaronhl;127033]Thanks for the replies.  I'm just getting bored with my Maxima because I have done everything I could possible do to it already.

I like the rear camber style, that's why I want to do it.  So mista808, have you really installed these on a Maxima before?[/quote]

ill check our alignment computer and see if there are any camber options for your maxima....

Cool.


Cool.

[quote=mista808;127230]ill check our alignment computer and see if there are any camber options for your maxima....[/quote]
 
There aren't any for the rear at all for years 1995-2003 with the rear beam. I've been doing alignments on every car out there and cant tell you how mant A32s I've done and according to Northstar's catelog and Hunter's alignment software there aren't any options out there. I've never seen them available for cars that have rear discs on them. If the model of vehicle comes eqiuped with either drums or discs on the rear you will also notice that the ones with the discs won't have an option for a shim. (examples: Caravans & VWs with solid rear beam)
 
 
There is still alot that can be done to the Maxima that hasn't been done before. To me alot of modded 4th gens look the same (lowered on EVO 5s with Stillen kit) since no one wants to step out of the box in fear of what others may think. I know for a fact that most of the Maxima community isn't going to accept my car when its at the state I want it at (can't say done, a car is NEVER done!!) but I could care less since I'm going to do it how I want it done. Like BLACKonBLACK and Yokotas13 said there is still alot more that you can do.

Thanks for the follow-up...