Newb Y33 Cima/Q45 Wheel/offset size questions.

Y33 Cima/Q45 Wheel Options...

Im looking to run 19". Is a 10up front and 11 out back realistic on this car? Or should I run 9/9.5 and 10.5?

Secondly what offsets should i run?

Sorry for the lame post, but if you wanted to know VW offsets I could go on for days, but not with the Y33 Cima/Q45

i presonally have a +35 offset in the rear and it sits flush and doesnt rub...looks better in person than in the pic IMO
(stock fenders, no roll, no pull)

but im not sure about the fronts' 
[img]http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/827000-827999/827885_10_full.jpg[/img]

35 seems awefully high, i'd like to get a 10.5" or 11" with a 10-20 offset (would be a nice sized lip and still work with stock fenders, i think)

go 19x9 19x10 +0.

11s are very doable in the back... stick with no wider than 265 or so width tire. 10s will fit in front, but 9.5s would be more forgiving in terms of clearances
offsets in the low 20s also very doable, as are offsets in the teens

the one on the mode parfume y33 has 19x9 +17 and 19x10.5 +5.

I'd go with 19X9 +16 and 19X10 +26.

I'll let you know how mine goes.

[quote=PMP-LEX ]
I'd go with 19X9 +16 and 19X10 +26.


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you might need a spacer with those. You could go much more agressive. 

ok, So say i Run:

19x9 Front
19x10 Rear

Would a 18-25mm front offset be ok?
would a 5-10mm Rear Offset be o.k.

I'll roll the fenders. Cars either gonna be on airrunner suspension or Algernon coils.
So i definately dont want rubbing (minimal - I can deal with the occasional freeway high speed rub)

[quote=CHUPACABRIO ]
ok, So say i Run:

19x9 Front
19x10 Rear

Would a 18-25mm front offset be ok?
would a 5-10mm Rear Offset be o.k.

I'll roll the fenders. Cars either gonna be on airrunner suspension or Algernon coils.
So i definately dont want rubbing (minimal - I can deal with the occasional freeway high speed rub)
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i give the thumbs up :)

with those range of fitments you mentioned, go for 9", +18mm front and 10", +10mm in back. 

Alright, Here's some other options.

F: 19x9 +5 245/35. R: 19x10 +17 275/30

[quote=CHUPACABRIO ]
Alright, Here's some other options.

F: 19x9 +5  245/35. R: 19x10 +17  275/30
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Tires are a little wide for the offsets... running like a 235/255 combo will afford you a lot more room... but either way, with those offsets, you will need to roll fenders quite a bit, and at the least, max out the stock eccentric for the rear uca

why would a 10" w/ 17mm offset require more work effort than a 10" w/ 10mm offset as you sugested 2 posts above?

the tire is quite a bit wider.

oh, ill stretch the shit outta some rubber, 

im mostly concerned with offsets. I guess i wanted to know the best ranges in offsets on the specified 9" and 10" wheels

I'm running 10" +16 and 9" +23. The rear offset is perfect if you don't roll the fenders. When cambered in with my airrunners, it clears by no shit, 1 mm. I could have gone a lot more agressive in the front. You can actually do a 9" +5 to +15. 

are the clearance issues coming from inside the wheel well when aired down?

Im coming from the VW world with rear axles are fixed and clearance is always a issue.

[quote=CHUPACABRIO ]
Im coming from the VW world with rear axles are fixed and clearance is always a issue.
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Idenpendent rear suspension is a wonderful thing ;D

[quote=CHUPACABRIO ]
are the clearance issues coming from inside the wheel well when aired down?

Im coming from the VW world with rear axles are fixed and clearance is always a issue.
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No issues on the inside with the car aired down. I worked on his air suspension setup and the tire barely clears the edge of the oem unmodified fender. But when layed out there is quite a bit of room inbetween i'd say 1" between the wheel and the lip. If you roll the fender flat, I could see you going with a 11 with a +10 offset with a good strech. The lip on the fender is a little bigger than one inch. I would check for inner fender well clearance that would be my only concern.

first inside obstruction in the back is strut body... more specifically, the bag itself. well not really a prob

[quote=antbo ]
the one on the mode parfume y33 has 19x9 +17 and 19x10.5 +5.
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Thanks for the great info 

Mode Y33 is a beautiful car

[quote]19x9 +17 and 19x10.5 +5.[/quote]

I wanted to go with 19x9+17 and 19x10 what can i use for the rear +!0?

[quote=johnnygoodlife ]
I wanted to go with 19x9+17 and 19x10 what can i use for the rear +!0?
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+0 will fit just about the same as +5 on a 10.5

Actually -1 should fit the same... so yea. 

[quote=antbo ]
the one on the mode parfume y33 has 19x9 +17 and 19x10.5 +5.
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Wait, is it running 19x9 or 19x9.5 ..I was looking on the website and only saw the offsets for 19x9.5 +17 


I'm in the process of ordering the Mode Parfume Kit and the TrafficStars RTS wheels (fell in love with the kit and wheels )

Any help is greatly appreciated 

here are the offsets
[img]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/JOHNNYJUNCTION/trafficstarsoffsets.jpg[/img]

[quote=CHUPACABRIO ]
ok, So say i Run:

19x9 Front
19x10 Rear

Would a 18-25mm front offset be ok?
would a 5-10mm Rear Offset be o.k.

I'll roll the fenders. Cars either gonna be on airrunner suspension or Algernon coils.
So i definately dont want rubbing (minimal - I can deal with the occasional freeway high speed rub)
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I would not roll the fenders. I would cut. Our Q45 is cut and there has been zero problems.

Chris

i know on vw's thats a seam weld (rear fender and unibody) which in cutting severly underminds the stregth of the rear end, is that not the case with these cars?

The rear fenders are setup just like the 240SX. It is a single layer fender. Rolling is okay and cutting is okay.

Please elaborate more on what you mean by "severly underminds the stregth of the rear end". In what circumstance(s) would you be most concerned? Collision? Racing? Rolling down the street? Chassis stiffness?

I have not seen any ill effects w/ respect to cutting the fenders on VIPete's Q45.

Chris

[quote=speedalliance.com ]
I would not roll the fenders.  I would cut.  Our Q45 is cut and there has been zero problems.

Chris
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Chris, I'd have to disagree with you too. Cutting may be ok in your case, however, if you cut the fenders and realize you didn't cut quite as much as you needed, now you are kinda stuck. Not only will the cut edge be very hard to roll at this point, but the sharp edge will be more likely to cut into the tire when it rubs than a rolled edge, with no sharp surfaces. 

Don't get me wrong cutting it will work just fine in some cases (depending on wheel/tire specs) but not in all. Or if you ever plan to switch to a more agressive set up in the future. 

[quote=jzz30tt ]
Chris, I'd have to disagree with you too. Cutting may be ok in your case, however, if you cut the fenders and realize you didn't cut quite as much as you needed, now you are kinda stuck. Not only will the cut edge be very hard to roll at this point, but the sharp edge will be more likely to cut into the tire when it rubs than a rolled edge, with no sharp surfaces. 

Don't get me wrong cutting it will work just fine in some cases (depending on wheel/tire specs) but not in all. Or if you ever plan to switch to a more agressive set up in the future. 
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Agreed, however that's when tools become your friend. Why would you cut and not deburr or smooth the metal?

Also, by cutting, I mean cut all the way to the sheet metal. I think we are at a crossroad of misunderstanding when we think about rolling fenders. In my experience, rolling is done until the "lip" is completely flattened against the sheet metal. This is totally acceptable as an alternative to cutting.

Thank you
Chris

If you only need an extra 1/8-1/4".... I suppose cutting is a viable alternative to fender rolling. i've always find it weird how some people/shops are afraid of fender rolling, but are more than willing to cut the fender lips. i guess they're not confident in their ability to slowly roll a fender.

but if you are running a more extreme wheel/tire setup, and need more clearance, it's futile to cut... and then roll, because that's a two-step process that accomplishes the same thing just rolling the fenders would. Also, with a lot of modern cars, it's always better to leave as much metal on the fender lip as possible to maintain some structural integrity... depending on the car, if you cut the fender lip, the fender can oil can... which is when you push on the surface of the panel, and the tension on it causes a little dent to pop up (well, technically it'll pop in)... and it's the kind of annoying dent that you can just tap lightly from behind to pop back out. Very fun to play with, but uncool to have to deal with

[quote=speedalliance.com ]
The rear fenders are setup just like the 240SX. It is a single layer fender. Rolling is okay and cutting is okay.

Please elaborate more on what you mean by "severly underminds the stregth of the rear end". In what circumstance(s) would you be most concerned? Collision? Racing? Rolling down the street? Chassis stiffness?

I have not seen any ill effects w/ respect to cutting the fenders on VIPete's Q45.

Chris
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chassos stiffness mostly, alot of the vw's people do that to are 10,15,20 some even 30 years old and can have as many as 300,000 miles on a already soft chassis, cutting the seam weld there could soften the car and allow the unibody to flex even more than it already is.

[quote=CHUPACABRIO ]
chassos stiffness mostly, alot of the vw's people do that to are 10,15,20 some even 30 years old and can have as many as 300,000 miles on a already soft chassis, cutting the seam weld there could soften the car and allow the unibody to flex even more than it already is.
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Each chasis is different, in this case you can't compare apples to oranges. The way we cut my fenders still maintains the integrity of the chasis, no problems. I suppose it takes as much skill to cut a fender cleanly and seamlessly as it takes to roll a fender.

Oh btw, I chose to cut because one of our customers broke our fender roller and we had time restraints and needed the car to be completed (well, as it is anyways).

Either alternative will be ok for the Y33 chasis. 

 

this should be a sticky :)

VIPete, What are your offsets for front and rear? Thanks man. Looks good! 

[quote=Radioaktiv ]
i presonally have a +35 offset in the rear and it sits flush and doesnt rub...looks better in person than in the pic IMO
(stock fenders, no roll, no pull)

but im not sure about the fronts' 
[img]http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/827000-827999/827885_10_full.jpg[/img]
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What is the size of the rear tires?

bump
 :D

Any new info to add?

currently. hopefully will get a few inches lower in a week or two.

[img]http://www.betacreate.com/Automotive_Photography/Q45/SL_ON/11.jpg[/img]

What offsets did you decide to go with ^

I've decided to go with another set of Trafficstars RTS's ..yeah Robert the sporty wheelLOL

the offsets I have chosen are 19x9 +11 and 19x10+11

I'm assuming rolling fenders ..correct?


I would like to hear what offsets Y33 owners are going with ...from mild to wild, lay it on me :D :D :D

19x9.5 front +15mm O-Disc 
19x10 rear 0mm O-Disc

I might be able to push the fronts out about .25"-.50" as well

[quote=speedalliance.com ]
The rear fenders are setup just like the 240SX. It is a single layer fender. Rolling is okay and cutting is okay.

Please elaborate more on what you mean by "severly underminds the stregth of the rear end". In what circumstance(s) would you be most concerned? Collision? Racing? Rolling down the street? Chassis stiffness?

I have not seen any ill effects w/ respect to cutting the fenders on VIPete's Q45.

Chris
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i like that we are talking about 240s and q45s. ive cut both.

the chassis IS weaker in the rear, but not so weak to be dangers (car collapsing when driven). on the 240 i removed all of the inner fender material starting at the spot weld until reaching the highest point. then welded a new inner fender (higher than the existing one cut out, closing the gaping hole, adding ridgity, and still leaving the lower portion of the outter fender accessible for flaring/reshaping.

i consider this a semi-tub, if you will. i drove and drifted the car before cutting the fenders, while they were cut, and after being welded up. id say it felt like 100% before, 65% cut, and 95% after being welded up. welding the insides back up restored a lot of the ridgidity established by the spot welds previously holding the inner and outter skin of the fender together.

as for the q45, it never got welded back up before i sold the car. i felt sloppy after cutting up the rear fenders.

Not to mention all the tire smoke inside the car w/o the inner tubs.... kinda like back in the days when people used to go "daaaaamn, why's koguchi's interior soooo smoky??"

cupacabrio, can you take some rear shots like and some front shots with the wheels. Like straight on? These were the exact same questions i was thinking about. Thanks alot ;)

[quote=byhi ]
cupacabrio, can you take some rear shots like and some front shots with the wheels.  Like straight on?  These were the exact same questions i was thinking about.  Thanks alot  ;)
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off topic, but cup-a-cabrio, lol- cup-a-goat! :2funny:

back to work.