Thread #2107

rims w/ biggest dish

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kazuo459October 25, 2006
#29801

rims w/ biggest dish

what rims do u kno of that get the biggest dish based on spoke design?? i kno there are the AME series of wheels but i see far too many ppl running those..the jp scaras can get pretty big..any others u kno of?? thanks guys
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what rims do u kno of that get the biggest dish based on spoke design?? i kno there are the AME series of wheels but i see far too many ppl running those..the jp scaras can get pretty big..any others u kno of?? thanks guys
REV-01October 25, 2006
#29803

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

there are only a few of them running around in hawaii.....may be because you know all the owners....trust me i never sold that much...shallen cx, work s2h, and work kh all have more lip than most if you compare rims with same fitments
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there are only a few of them running around in hawaii.....may be because you know all the owners....trust me i never sold that much...shallen cx, work s2h, and work kh all have more lip than most if you compare rims with same fitments
EndlessNA1October 25, 2006
#29805

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

REV-01 wrote:
there are only a few of them running around in hawaii.....may be because you know all the owners....trust me i never sold that much...shallen cx, work s2h, and work kh all have more lip than most if you compare rims with same fitments


w3rd
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[quote=REV-01 ]
there are only a few of them running around in hawaii.....may be because you know all the owners....trust me i never sold that much...shallen cx, work s2h, and work kh all have more lip than most if you compare rims with same fitments
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w3rd
DominikOctober 25, 2006
#29808

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

Fabulous wheels also seem to have curved spokes to maximise dish... without looking like fake dish

And Euroline DH
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Fabulous wheels also seem to have curved spokes to maximise dish... without looking like fake dish

And Euroline DH
TransformCelsiorOctober 25, 2006
#29830

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

the AME LX will give you a massive porno lip, I'm talkin DEEP.

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the AME LX will give you a massive porno lip, I'm talkin DEEP.

REV-01October 25, 2006
#29847

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

CarlssonRL wrote:
the AME LX will give you a massive porno lip, I'm talkin DEEP.




i don't think so....the cx has about .5" more lip than ax if they are same width, offset and disk
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[quote=CarlssonRL ]
the AME LX will give you a massive porno lip, I'm talkin DEEP.


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i don't think so....the cx has about .5" more lip than ax if they are same width, offset and disk
kazuo459October 25, 2006
#29850

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

i love the leon hardiritt ordens but the dish is minimal..hmm the cx's are nice but i seen em on an ls down here..samson u got a pic of em wit maximum dish???
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i love the leon hardiritt ordens but the dish is minimal..hmm the cx's are nice but i seen em on an ls down here..samson u got a pic of em wit maximum dish???
REV-01October 25, 2006
#29851

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

kazuo459 wrote:
i love the leon hardiritt ordens but the dish is minimal..hmm the cx's are nice but i seen em on an ls down here..samson u got a pic of em wit maximum dish???


the superstar orden is similar to work sl..not as much lip as the one i mentioned above....i ordered an set of low offset cx...even bigger lip than jerms one...the one i have now for a ls fitment, lip size is 4" rear
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[quote=kazuo459 ]
i love the leon hardiritt ordens but the dish is minimal..hmm the cx's are nice but i seen em on an ls down here..samson u got a pic of em wit maximum dish???
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the superstar orden is similar to work sl..not as much lip as the one i mentioned above....i ordered an set of low offset cx...even bigger lip than jerms one...the one i have now for a ls fitment, lip size is 4" rear
nizzan4u2nvOctober 25, 2006
#29854

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

REV-01 wrote:
i don't think so....the cx has about .5" more lip than ax if they are same width, offset and disk


He said LX not AX. Lx have almost the same amount of lip for any given size. Actually LX has about 5mm more lip for a given size.

Example, LX 19x10 +10 super low has 140mm lip, CX 19x10 +10 super low has 135mm.

Eurolines have slightly less lip for any given size vs lx and cx.

Example, CX 19x10 +10 135mm super low vs Euroline FS 19x10 +10 118mm O disk.

As of right now im in a struggle between shallen LX and euroline FS. Eurolines being a few hundred bucks more. Some would say that lx and cx are cheater lip though. LX look a lot better in real life though then I would have thought. Pics dont do it justice.
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[quote=REV-01 ]
i don't think so....the cx has about .5" more lip than ax if they are same width, offset and disk
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He said LX not AX. Lx have almost the same amount of lip for any given size. Actually LX has about 5mm more lip for a given size.

Example, LX 19x10 +10 super low has 140mm lip, CX 19x10 +10 super low has 135mm. 

Eurolines have slightly less lip for any given size vs lx and cx.

Example, CX 19x10 +10 135mm super low vs Euroline FS 19x10 +10 118mm O disk. 

As of right now im in a struggle between shallen LX and euroline FS. Eurolines being a few hundred bucks more. Some would say that lx and cx are cheater lip though. LX look a lot better in real life though then I would have thought. Pics dont do it justice.
nizzan4u2nvOctober 25, 2006
#29855

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

nizzan4u2nv wrote:
He said LX not AX. Lx have almost the same amount of lip for any given size. Actually LX has about 5mm more lip for a given size.

Example, LX 19x10 +10 super low has 140mm lip, CX 19x10 +10 super low has 135mm.

Eurolines have slightly less lip for any given size vs lx and cx.

Example, CX 19x10 +10 135mm super low vs Euroline FS 19x10 +10 118mm O disk.

As of right now im in a struggle between shallen LX and euroline FS. Eurolines being a few hundred bucks more. Some would say that lx and cx are cheater lip though. LX look a lot better in real life though then I would have thought. Pics dont do it justice.



BTW, another good choice for a lot of lip would be G-corporation Estatus style D2. 19x10 +18 super low disk has 111mm of lip. Im also thinking of those but they arent as easy to get as works or ame.
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[quote=nizzan4u2nv ]
He said LX not AX. Lx have almost the same amount of lip for any given size. Actually LX has about 5mm more lip for a given size.

Example, LX 19x10 +10 super low has 140mm lip, CX 19x10 +10 super low has 135mm. 

Eurolines have slightly less lip for any given size vs lx and cx.

Example, CX 19x10 +10 135mm super low vs Euroline FS 19x10 +10 118mm O disk. 

As of right now im in a struggle between shallen LX and euroline FS. Eurolines being a few hundred bucks more. Some would say that lx and cx are cheater lip though. LX look a lot better in real life though then I would have thought. Pics dont do it justice.
[/quote]


BTW, another good choice for a lot of lip would be G-corporation Estatus style D2. 19x10 +18 super low disk has 111mm of lip. Im also thinking of those but they arent as easy to get as works or ame.
555October 26, 2006
#29861

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

lock smice duce also have some fat fat lip if u go with very low offset ;)
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lock smice duce also have some fat fat lip if u go with very low offset ;)
uncle_elOctober 26, 2006
#29863

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

why are some people talking about lip, and others talking about dish when the topic is "rims w biggest dish"?!

dish and lip are two different things!! dish refers to the face of the wheel, and lip is the edge of the wheel.  more technically, the lip of the wheel is the edge of the wheel that sticks out beyond the face of the wheel... which has led to some people using the term "true lip".

in other words, dish and lip are separate entities.


a wheel can have a dish face, without having much or any lip.  a wheel can also have a dish face, with a large amount of lip.


a flat face, deep lip wheel:
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a dish face, non lip wheel (hard to tell in this pic, as it's taken end on):
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another dish face, non lip wheel:
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dish face, deep lip wheel:
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moral of the story is: just because a wheel has a lot of lip, does not make it a deep dish wheel!  it's the face that either does or does not have dish... the rest of the wheel either has lip or it doesn't.  a wheel with a dish face, with a lot of lip would be properly referred to as a deep dish wheel, though most perfectionists would say a dish face wheel with deep lip... but i digress.
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why are some people talking about lip, and others talking about dish when the topic is "rims w biggest dish"?!

dish and lip are two different things!! dish refers to the face of the wheel, and lip is the edge of the wheel.  more technically, the lip of the wheel is the edge of the wheel that sticks out beyond the face of the wheel... which has led to some people using the term "true lip".

in other words, dish and lip are separate entities.


a wheel can have a dish face, without having much or any lip.  a wheel can also have a dish face, with a large amount of lip.


a flat face, deep lip wheel:
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/uncle_el/vip%20rides/deeplip-1.jpg[/img]





a dish face, non lip wheel (hard to tell in this pic, as it's taken end on):
[img]http://bag02pr000.ac.yahoo.co.jp/users/5/5/6/7/sec2002a-imgbatch_1109354211/600x450-2005022500474.jpg[/img]

another dish face, non lip wheel:
[img]http://www.club-miniban.com/20050217%200161.jpg[/img]





dish face, deep lip wheel:
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/diohji/cars/Mar05_004.jpg[/img]



moral of the story is: just because a wheel has a lot of lip, does not make it a deep dish wheel!  it's the face that either does or does not have dish... the rest of the wheel either has lip or it doesn't.  a wheel with a dish face, with a lot of lip would be properly referred to as a deep dish wheel, though most perfectionists would say a dish face wheel with deep lip... but i digress.
nizzan4u2nvOctober 26, 2006
#29873

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

I think everyone knows the difference except the original poster. We know ame dont have a dish style wheel and jp scaras arent dished either so we just all assumed he was talking about lip. :P
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I think everyone knows the difference except the original poster. We know ame dont have a dish style wheel and jp scaras arent dished either so we just all assumed he was talking about lip. :P
Xotic sCOctober 26, 2006
#29890

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

kazuo459 wrote:
what rims do u kno of that get the biggest dish based on spoke design?? i kno there are the AME series of wheels but i see far too many ppl running those..the jp scaras can get pretty big..any others u kno of?? thanks guys


what are you talking about man? just get some wide rims with low offset...design of the spoke ? :idiot2: custom offsets man...that's all you need to improve your lip game.
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[quote=kazuo459 ]
what rims do u kno of that get the biggest dish based on spoke design?? i kno there are the AME series of wheels but i see far too many ppl running those..the jp scaras can get pretty big..any others u kno of?? thanks guys
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what are you talking about man? just get some wide rims with low offset...design of the spoke ? :idiot2: custom offsets man...that's all you need to improve your lip game.
REV-01October 26, 2006
#29895

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

nizzan4u2nv wrote:
He said LX not AX. Lx have almost the same amount of lip for any given size. Actually LX has about 5mm more lip for a given size.

Example, LX 19x10 +10 super low has 140mm lip, CX 19x10 +10 super low has 135mm.

Eurolines have slightly less lip for any given size vs lx and cx.

Example, CX 19x10 +10 135mm super low vs Euroline FS 19x10 +10 118mm O disk.

As of right now im in a struggle between shallen LX and euroline FS. Eurolines being a few hundred bucks more. Some would say that lx and cx are cheater lip though. LX look a lot better in real life though then I would have thought. Pics dont do it justice.


nice catch....i already sold the lx on my wheel wall and for some reason i see it as ax....my bad
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[quote=nizzan4u2nv ]
He said LX not AX. Lx have almost the same amount of lip for any given size. Actually LX has about 5mm more lip for a given size.

Example, LX 19x10 +10 super low has 140mm lip, CX 19x10 +10 super low has 135mm. 

Eurolines have slightly less lip for any given size vs lx and cx.

Example, CX 19x10 +10 135mm super low vs Euroline FS 19x10 +10 118mm O disk. 

As of right now im in a struggle between shallen LX and euroline FS. Eurolines being a few hundred bucks more. Some would say that lx and cx are cheater lip though. LX look a lot better in real life though then I would have thought. Pics dont do it justice.
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nice catch....i already sold the lx on my wheel wall and for some reason i see it as ax....my bad
nizzan4u2nvOctober 26, 2006
#29897

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

REV-01 wrote:
nice catch....i already sold the lx on my wheel wall and for some reason i see it as ax....my bad


It is easy to mix up though ;) Both ame, full face and end in X :P.
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[quote=REV-01 ]
nice catch....i already sold the lx on my wheel wall and for some reason i see it as ax....my bad
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It is easy to mix up though ;) Both ame, full face and end in X :P. 
mista808October 26, 2006
#29900

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

hey wassup samson, raymond here... hope you never sold the AX's on the wall to anyone....
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hey wassup samson, raymond here... hope you never sold the AX's on the wall to anyone....
kazuo459October 26, 2006
#29906

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

my bad..didn't kno things were so technical..and yea i didn't kno the difference..thanks for the info! so yea i mean biggest lip..
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my bad..didn't kno things were so technical..and yea i didn't kno the difference..thanks for the info! so yea i mean biggest lip..
REV-01October 26, 2006
#29909

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

kazuo459 wrote:
my bad..didn't kno things were so technical..and yea i didn't kno the difference..thanks for the info! so yea i mean biggest lip..


i know the difference between dish and lip like what uncle el said but knowing you personally i already know what you mean...
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[quote=kazuo459 ]
my bad..didn't kno things were so technical..and yea i didn't kno the difference..thanks for the info! so yea i mean biggest lip..
[/quote]

i know the difference between dish and lip like what uncle el said but knowing you personally i already know what you mean...
REV-01October 26, 2006
#29910

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

mista808 wrote:
hey wassup samson, raymond here... hope you never sold the AX's on the wall to anyone....


sup maymond not yet but i have 2 pallets of work wheels coming in....and i would like to make room. may be you can buy it so you can have an extreme set for shows and regular set for daily? plus you don't have to worry about any other 808 vip peeps rocking them.
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[quote=mista808 ]
hey wassup samson, raymond here... hope you never sold the AX's on the wall to anyone....
[/quote]

sup maymond not yet but i have 2 pallets of work wheels coming in....and i would like to make room. may be you can buy it so you can have an extreme set for shows and regular set for daily? plus you don't have to worry about any other 808 vip peeps rocking them.
kazuo459October 26, 2006
#29926

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

REV-01 wrote:
sup maymond not yet but i have 2 pallets of work wheels coming in....and i would like to make room. may be you can buy it so you can have an extreme set for shows and regular set for daily? plus you don't have to worry about any other 808 vip peeps rocking them.


better hurry up and get on these raymond..i bet ppl are saving to pick em up
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[quote=REV-01 ]
sup maymond not yet but i have 2 pallets of work wheels coming in....and i would like to make room. may be you can buy it so you can have an extreme set for shows and regular set for daily? plus you don't have to worry about any other 808 vip peeps rocking them.
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better hurry up and get on these raymond..i bet ppl are saving to pick em up
AME_VIPOctober 26, 2006
#29951

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

I prefer to call them "sunken face" Too many people get confused regarding dish and lip.

My AME LX were a lame 19x10 +43 with 4" :2funny:
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I prefer to call them "sunken face"  Too many people get confused regarding dish and lip.

My AME LX were a lame 19x10 +43 with 4" :2funny:
One Ton VIPOctober 27, 2006
#30030

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

want super crazy lips? Look no further than garson's deep racing wheels, weds kranzes, and a select few super star wheels (most of their leon hardiritts, and the lodio drive lines). and by crazy i mean 7" and more. One thing to note is that you usually can't get too deep a wheel in larger diameters... 20s especially are structurally only safe to go so far, vs. an 18 or 19. Recently i've been more intrigued with exploring different lip styles than just trying to have the most lip possible. Everyone in the US seems to just be starting to get obsessed with worrying about who has the most lip w/o thinking about how the wheel will actually fit and look on their car
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want super crazy lips? Look no further than garson's deep racing wheels, weds kranzes, and a select few super star wheels (most of their leon hardiritts, and the lodio drive lines). and by crazy i mean 7" and more. One thing to note is that you usually can't get too deep a wheel in larger diameters... 20s especially are structurally only safe to go so far, vs. an 18 or 19. Recently i've been more intrigued with exploring different lip styles than just trying to have the most lip possible. Everyone in the US seems to just be starting to get obsessed with worrying about who has the most lip w/o thinking about how the wheel will actually fit and look on their car
555October 27, 2006
#30058

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

now i am with one ton up here, garson is deepest wheels that are acceptable lookin for vip stylin.. :)
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now i am with one ton up here, garson is deepest wheels that are acceptable lookin for vip stylin.. :)
DominikOctober 27, 2006
#30103

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

One Ton VIP wrote:
Everyone in the US seems to just be starting to get obsessed with worrying about who has the most lip w/o thinking about how the wheel will actually fit and look on their car


I actually noticed this a while back, when someone came on here and said they wanted wheels with 4-5" lip MINIMUM. Its like the new bragging right because large diameter wheels have been over done (cant brag about having 24"s cos someone already has 28"s). The fitment is more important than the lip anyway. No point having 5" lip on a Garson Deep racing rim that is 18x9 +55!!!
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[quote=One Ton VIP ]
Everyone in the US seems to just be starting to get obsessed with worrying about who has the most lip w/o thinking about how the wheel will actually fit and look on their car
[/quote]

I actually noticed this a while back, when someone came on here and said they wanted wheels with 4-5" lip MINIMUM. Its like the new bragging right because large diameter wheels have been over done (cant brag about having 24"s cos someone already has 28"s). The fitment is more important than the lip anyway. No point having 5" lip on a Garson Deep racing rim that is 18x9 +55!!!
Xotic sCOctober 27, 2006
#30139

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

Dominik wrote:
No point having 5" lip on a Garson Deep racing rim that is 18x9 +55!!!


lol, I just noticed somebody mention something similar to this over at clublexus.
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[quote=Dominik ]
 No point having 5" lip on a Garson Deep racing rim that is 18x9 +55!!!
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lol, I just noticed somebody mention something similar to this over at clublexus.
kazuo459October 27, 2006
#30142

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

One Ton VIP wrote:
want super crazy lips? Look no further than garson's deep racing wheels, weds kranzes, and a select few super star wheels (most of their leon hardiritts, and the lodio drive lines). and by crazy i mean 7" and more. One thing to note is that you usually can't get too deep a wheel in larger diameters... 20s especially are structurally only safe to go so far, vs. an 18 or 19. Recently i've been more intrigued with exploring different lip styles than just trying to have the most lip possible. Everyone in the US seems to just be starting to get obsessed with worrying about who has the most lip w/o thinking about how the wheel will actually fit and look on their car


hey i know what you mean and i'm by no way trying to over do it w/ lip size...i'm so undecided on which wheels i want to go with and change my mind from time to time and lip does play a role in which rim i choose based on the size and offset i want to go with so thats why i made this post..jus to see some more of my options..
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[quote=One Ton VIP ]
want super crazy lips? Look no further than garson's deep racing wheels, weds kranzes, and a select few super star wheels (most of their leon hardiritts, and the lodio drive lines). and by crazy i mean 7" and more. One thing to note is that you usually can't get too deep a wheel in larger diameters... 20s especially are structurally only safe to go so far, vs. an 18 or 19. Recently i've been more intrigued with exploring different lip styles than just trying to have the most lip possible. Everyone in the US seems to just be starting to get obsessed with worrying about who has the most lip w/o thinking about how the wheel will actually fit and look on their car
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hey i know what you mean and i'm by no way trying to over do it w/ lip size...i'm so undecided on which wheels i want to go with and change my mind from time to time and lip does play a role in which rim i choose based on the size and offset i want to go with so thats why i made this post..jus to see some more of my options..
chmercerOctober 28, 2006
#30254

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

fabulous expand has the most lip, undebatable. 224mm

garson deep racing ryugi is a close second at 194mm iirc

3rd place is weds with like 174

work sellers, do you guys know if work does legit custom sizes? or just the stuff on the webpage. like could you get a vskf in 19x15 +9 if you wanted?
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fabulous expand has the most lip, undebatable. 224mm

garson deep racing ryugi is a close second at 194mm iirc

3rd place is weds with like 174

work sellers, do you guys know if work does legit custom sizes? or just the stuff on the webpage. like could you get a vskf in 19x15 +9 if you wanted? 
annoezOctober 30, 2006
#30419

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

hi guys.. just wanna join with the hot topic... :) true some wheels have curvy spokes/dish in order to get deeper lips... the more curvy to the inner rims the more lips u will get... for example i had fabulous profound 2 19 x 10.5 ET +6 Superlow with 136 mm lips... and Estatus D2 19 x 9 ET +25 Superlow with 100 mm lips... the lower the offset the more curvy the dish/spokes...
but anyway my knowledge and experience is still very insufficient compared to u guys...
regards to u all

Steven from Indonesia
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hi guys.. just wanna join with the hot topic... :) true some wheels have curvy spokes/dish in order to get deeper lips... the more curvy to the inner rims the more lips u will get... for example i had fabulous profound 2 19 x 10.5 ET +6 Superlow with 136 mm lips... and Estatus D2 19 x 9 ET +25 Superlow with 100 mm lips... the lower the offset the more curvy the dish/spokes...
but anyway my knowledge and experience is still very insufficient compared to u guys...
regards to u all

Steven from Indonesia
nizzan4u2nvOctober 30, 2006
#30420

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

annoez wrote:
hi guys.. just wanna join with the hot topic... :) true some wheels have curvy spokes/dish in order to get deeper lips... the more curvy to the inner rims the more lips u will get... for example i had fabulous profound 2 19 x 10.5 ET +6 Superlow with 136 mm lips... and Estatus D2 19 x 9 ET +25 Superlow with 100 mm lips... the lower the offset the more curvy the dish/spokes...
but anyway my knowledge and experience is still very insufficient compared to u guys...
regards to u all

Steven from Indonesia


That is very true, although some would call it cheater lip. I say as long as the overall design is nice it doesnt matter.
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[quote=annoez ]
hi guys.. just wanna join with the hot topic... :) true some wheels have curvy spokes/dish in order to get deeper lips... the more curvy to the inner rims the more lips u will get... for example i had fabulous profound 2 19 x 10.5 ET +6 Superlow with 136 mm lips... and Estatus D2 19 x 9 ET +25 Superlow with 100 mm lips... the lower the offset the more curvy the dish/spokes...
but anyway my knowledge and experience is still very insufficient compared to u guys...
regards to u all

Steven from Indonesia
[/quote]

That is very true, although some would call it cheater lip. I say as long as the overall design is nice it doesnt matter. 
uncle_elOctober 30, 2006
#30460

Re: rims w/ biggest dish

annoez wrote:
hi guys.. just wanna join with the hot topic... :) true some wheels have curvy spokes/dish in order to get deeper lips... the more curvy to the inner rims the more lips u will get... for example i had fabulous profound 2 19 x 10.5 ET +6 Superlow with 136 mm lips... and Estatus D2 19 x 9 ET +25 Superlow with 100 mm lips... the lower the offset the more curvy the dish/spokes...
but anyway my knowledge and experience is still very insufficient compared to u guys...
regards to u all

Steven from Indonesia


nizzan4u2nv wrote:
That is very true, although some would call it cheater lip. I say as long as the overall design is nice it doesnt matter.


true lip is measured from the portion of the wheel furthest out, to the edge of the wheel. fake lip/cheater lip/false lip, while giving the appearance of more lip, isn't more lip. if that were the case, then most "dub" rides have a huge amount of lip...

while not wheels with huge lips, these pics are to illustrate the point of fake lip versus real lip:
Forum image

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[quote=annoez ]
hi guys.. just wanna join with the hot topic... :) true some wheels have curvy spokes/dish in order to get deeper lips... the more curvy to the inner rims the more lips u will get... for example i had fabulous profound 2 19 x 10.5 ET +6 Superlow with 136 mm lips... and Estatus D2 19 x 9 ET +25 Superlow with 100 mm lips... the lower the offset the more curvy the dish/spokes...
but anyway my knowledge and experience is still very insufficient compared to u guys...
regards to u all

Steven from Indonesia
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[quote=nizzan4u2nv ]
That is very true, although some would call it cheater lip. I say as long as the overall design is nice it doesnt matter. 
[/quote]

true lip is measured from the portion of the wheel furthest out, to the edge of the wheel. fake lip/cheater lip/false lip, while giving the appearance of more lip, isn't more lip. if that were the case, then most "dub" rides have a huge amount of lip...

while not wheels with huge lips, these pics are to illustrate the point of fake lip versus real lip:
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/uncle_el/ssr/ssr1copy.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/uncle_el/ssr/ssr4.jpg[/img]