AXIS Sport Tuning's Q45

Here's a picture of James Chen's awesome Q45(CIMA, for you nit-picky VIP guys out there).  This is by far, my favorite car that he has in his "exclusive" stable (including a couple Ferrari's, Bentley's, and of course his other "regular" project cars, [URL="http://www.axiswheels.com/project.html"]http://www.axiswheels.com/project.html[/URL]).  The CIMA sports a WISE Sports kit ([URL="http://www.wisesports.co.jp/main.html"]http://www.wisesports.co.jp/main.html[/URL]) on it, which is by far my favorite kit for this vehicle.  This just goes to show, that cast wheels can look nice as well ([URL="http://www.exewheels.com/index_flash.html"]http://www.exewheels.com/index_flash.html[/URL]).  All he needs a little camber work and he's set!  Enjoy!

Front
[IMG]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid221/p714368780c3ea4a4e2435a5065f37a42/eb5e0d9e.jpg[/IMG]

Rear
[IMG]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid221/p14a122debb7ae97f006a49a4c8a409d6/eb5e0a9e.jpg[/IMG]

to me that looks a bit sporty. Maybe if the car was a little bit lower, it would look better...but right now I would choose a stock body F50 with nice wheels on it over this car. Plus hes rocking AXIS wheels...those things suck...not looks wise (looks were "borrowed" from reputable wheel manufacturers), but quality wise.

yea he's running axis wheels cause he owns the company.

[QUOTE=JDMFairlady21;37697]yea he's running axis wheels cause he owns the company.[/QUOTE]

Is that supposed to make them suck less? 

If he was shooting for a vip car, he failed miserably. If he was shooting for a car that looks like everything else in the US, he did a great job.

yeah and they still suck...I give guy the props for making good money...but fact remains the same: axis makes cheap knock-offs of wheels built by companies that spend time and money in designing and ensuring that their wheels last for a long time.

Exactly..IF he owns the company and wants to be VIP he should start all over again with some nice 3 piece forged high quality aluminum and do it right..I do know from a marketing stand pint of view his target market is def not the true VIP Scene but the budget ballers..Even that wide trak wheel is shitty..try to get more lip out of the same width wheel cheap man just cheap..I have seen axis wheels in person and my AZA staggered wheels look much nicer and they arnt even up to par....

Man that car aint vip
It's a Axis "Sport Tuning" s q45.
The kit doesnt flow , and wheels.

Ive seen better.

The kit, the grille...just not right.

First off, I never once claimed the car to be VIP.  The kit actually is very VIP, he actually had this car built about 5 years ago, when the CIMA just came out.  Previous to that he actually built a VIP car (his old Y33, which was actually one of the first VIP cars that I had seen in the states).  Prior to these particular wheels being on the car, he actually had a VIP setup using custom 3-piece wheels which he had designed and sold under a private label.  But wow, you guys must have some bone to pick with people in the industry.  I don't even know how to even approach some of your comments.  When I first joined this site, I really appreciated the fact that people on this board seemed to be a little more mature and respectable.  

"Jzz30tt," you really make a strong point by saying how much the wheels "suck".  Working in the industry for about 6 years now, (not saying that I have a better say on the subject), I realize that some people have preconceived notions about products without having any personal experience with them.  So with that being said, "Why do AXIS wheels suck?"  I'm sure I can dispute anything you say, with actual facts and photgraphs of countless sets of wheels being returned for warranty issues that I had saved from my past company.  But I guess, its guys like you that motivate people like me to contantly work even harder to come up with better and more innovative designs.

Wheels are a touchy subject, as noted.  But honestly, what manufacturer out there hasn't taken something (in this case, a wheels design) from another company and made it in their own fashion?  For example, if you look at a manufacturer like SSR (a very JDM/VIP wheel manufacturer), they have a wheel that looks strongly like this European wheel from MAE.  Not only SSR but Rays Engineering also made a replica of this wheel, (but there are some differences in the wheel).  What the owner of AXIS does, is actually cater to those out there that look for a reliable wheel out there with a shaving of the cost of most multi pieced wheels out there.  I've had experience with both cast and forged wheels and honestly I can't say that forged wheels have that much of a difference in quality.  Certain cast wheel manufacturers out there actually produce a good quality wheel.  I mean there must be a reason why cars come out of the plants with cast wheels already on them.

My NYE is about to start and you dousch bags (not all of you, just those that feel they have a right to talke $hit about products out there without formally having a valid argument against them) have taken some of my time getting ready.  I'll shall get back to you all after tonight.  Have a fun and safe NYE everyone!

[QUOTE=kyeguy82;37775]First off, I never once claimed the car to be VIP.  [/QUOTE]

Well if it isnt Vip why'd you even post up in the first part?
If it was for shit n giggles then it was pointless.
You also know its not Vip it sais AXIS "SPORTS TUNING" q45
You posted pics and we critized.
I know someother people posted a Non vip car, that we need to toughen up on.
Its a VIPsite...
plus theres an Off-topic Section

why are you defending that bucket so hard. that car is ugly as hell

besides those wheels are just crappy fake weds lxz

[QUOTE=chmercer;37779]why are you defending that bucket so hard. that car is ugly as hell[/QUOTE]

:rolleyes: LOL
WERD.

Lets not make things personal here. Also lets stop arguing over if the car is VIP. As most of us should know, VIP begins with the platform. Please Read: [url]http://www.vipstylecars.com/modules.php?name=Content&file=viewarticle&id=1[/url]

About the comment on the car being so "ugly"...compared to the cars out in the scene now, it definitely could be better. However this was not the case a few years back.

Sweet ride!

the car looked much better before. 
I remeber this car, it was in a magazine,towards the back a couple years ago.

even back then though, I didn't agree with the mag spread saying it was VIP.
sure, VIP platform, but not true vipstyle............


and it did have diffrent wheels......what were those??

[img]http://www.axiswheels.com/images/project/pro_cars/q_01b.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.axiswheels.com/images/project/pro_cars/q_04b.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.axiswheels.com/images/project/pro_cars/q_03b.jpg[/img]

Ironically enough, it is called the [b]Axis VIP[/b]. 20x8.5 (front) and 20x11.0 (rear) 245/40-20 (front) and 275/35-20 (rear) .

looks better in those pics, cant see the chicken grill

thanks mdenoga,

man, those front wheels look like 18's

Looks like a big Altima.

[QUOTE=gato;37826]thanks mdenoga,

man, those front wheels look like 18's[/QUOTE]

They do don't they? Wheels look SMALL for 20's on that chassis.

Overall, the car isn't THAT bad. The kit is not my cup of tea though. Looks like a VIS knockoff and doesn't flow with the car. IMO, it would be been 1000x's better if it were left stock body and slammed. Day and Night difference.

But can't complain since this car was built w/out any aftermarket support at the time -in the US. 

VIP? it's up to opinion. 

Also, I think people are saying "Axis wheels suck" because the face/wheel style of Axis wheels are not VIP or popular among the people of VSC. Just different tastes. and perhaps the wrong market to target?

Bling Bling.

[QUOTE=VIPete;37834]Also, I think people are saying "Axis wheels suck" because the face/wheel style of Axis wheels are not VIP or popular among the people of VSC.[/QUOTE]

No, it's because damn near all of Axis' lineup are knockoffs of other wheels.

[QUOTE=NYC03Alti;37838]No, it's because damn near all of Axis' lineup are knockoffs of other wheels.[/QUOTE]

THAT too.. =)

kyeguy82:
Dude I think you managed to out-do yourself with the number of "actually's" in a single paragraph...but that's way off topic.

How can a company such as Axis build a wheel that sells for $200-300 each and keep the quiality up to the standards? Why does Work or SSR or Weds sell their wheels for $1000 each? Sure branding has a lot to do with it...a person probably pays extra $200 just to have the wheels say Work on them. But what about the rest of the difference? It has to do with the way these wheels are built. Axis builds cheap wheels, targeting audience that only cares about the price and having something that looks like the real deal. There were numberous pictures on the old forums of Axis wheels cracked in half for no good reason.

Also, if he is catering to those seeking inexpensive wheels, don't you think a person who can afford a $200K Guilardo or even a $50K F50 can also afford better wheels? So shouldn't he be putting his wheels on Honda Civics, and other cars along those lines? 

No one is saying anything bad about the owner of Axis...he's doing his thing and making good money. What we are saying is that those wheels "suck" and overall the car is tasteless. It doesn't have any personality to it. I am sure the thought process went something like this: Here's the car, here are the companies that are willing to sposnor us, and here's the budget for the remaining parts...we need it for Sema this year. This car is nothing but a marketing tool.

The aero on the car might be very Vip, but the stance and the wheels are not...so the car looks more like a sports sedan. Personally I don't think the front bumper fits the lines of the car, and is more suitable for a performance car rather than a luxury sedan.

just goes to show, you can have all the money in the world but it can't buy you good taste.

The latest q45's are hard to get done up right. This is a prime example, of it failing the VIP class.

the facts are: Axis does what it has to do in the industry/market they are in. 

Does the wheel style match the car ? NO.
Does Axis bite off other wheels manufacturers who produce their original designs? YES. 

this is just the way the wheel industry works here in the USA.

There are only a handful of us that have a fetish for multi-piece japanese wheels. Most people in the USA could care less.

and are those all really his cars? or just cars that Axis  sponsors ?

[QUOTE=kyeguy82;37775]First off, I never once claimed the car to be VIP.  The kit actually is very VIP, he actually had this car built about 5 years ago, when the CIMA just came out.  Previous to that he actually built a VIP car (his old Y33, which was actually one of the first VIP cars that I had seen in the states).  Prior to these particular wheels being on the car, he actually had a VIP setup using custom 3-piece wheels which he had designed and sold under a private label.  But wow, you guys must have some bone to pick with people in the industry.  I don't even know how to even approach some of your comments.  When I first joined this site, I really appreciated the fact that people on this board seemed to be a little more mature and respectable.  

"Jzz30tt," you really make a strong point by saying how much the wheels "suck".  Working in the industry for about 6 years now, (not saying that I have a better say on the subject), I realize that some people have preconceived notions about products without having any personal experience with them.  So with that being said, "Why do AXIS wheels suck?"  I'm sure I can dispute anything you say, with actual facts and photgraphs of countless sets of wheels being returned for warranty issues that I had saved from my past company.  But I guess, its guys like you that motivate people like me to contantly work even harder to come up with better and more innovative designs.

Wheels are a touchy subject, as noted.  But honestly, what manufacturer out there hasn't taken something (in this case, a wheels design) from another company and made it in their own fashion?  For example, if you look at a manufacturer like SSR (a very JDM/VIP wheel manufacturer), they have a wheel that looks strongly like this European wheel from MAE.  Not only SSR but Rays Engineering also made a replica of this wheel, (but there are some differences in the wheel).  What the owner of AXIS does, is actually cater to those out there that look for a reliable wheel out there with a shaving of the cost of most multi pieced wheels out there.  I've had experience with both cast and forged wheels and honestly I can't say that forged wheels have that much of a difference in quality.  Certain cast wheel manufacturers out there actually produce a good quality wheel.  I mean there must be a reason why cars come out of the plants with cast wheels already on them.

My NYE is about to start and you dousch bags (not all of you, just those that feel they have a right to talke $hit about products out there without formally having a valid argument against them) have taken some of my time getting ready.  I'll shall get back to you all after tonight.  Have a fun and safe NYE everyone![/QUOTE]

That was funny... 

So anyone who doesn't think it's a nice car is a "dousch bag" hahahahaha 

I have a valid argument. They suck donkey balls. That is my opinion. They are crappy cast 3 piece look alike pieces of junk. I have nothing against the owner... If he can make money off people's stupidity more power to him. Infact, I think it's great he found a market where people are dumb enough to buy junk and be happy with it. And then have grouppies like yourself who defend his shit brand wheels till death.. hahaha 

Of course the car is a VIP platform... just like Falk's car is a VIP platform... However, neither car is modified in a VIP style.. 

If there is one word to sum up the car you posted it would be..... Bland.

Let me reiterate since my point was not made, [B]I never said the car was VIP[/B].  I posted in this forum since it was a Infiniti forum.  Thats what a forum is right?  But then again, I should also note, that this is also where people flame things because their "friend said so."  

I could care less what you think about the car.  Aesthetically, people have different opinions about everything.  Thats why everyone styles their own personal cars in their own fashion.  If you read what I had said, I am just trying to get you guys to justify why the wheels "suck."  Point made simple, cast wheels do not suck, most of the wheels that you VIP guys are actually are repping are made with cast centers, with the inner and outer lips being the only forged part (not every forged wheel manufacturer does this, but some do).  Then again, I bet some of you never even knew that.  

I never wished to make petty little arguments with any of you.  I just take things to offense when people make disparaging comments about a product without having any knowledge or proof about how they are made and even how they compare to other types of wheels out there.  

I'm done arguing with you guys here.  If you wish to join in on the bashing, feel free to do so, as for me, I'll watch what I post here.  Other than that, Project G35 (V35coupe/Skyline) is soon coming along, and I'll keep you guys posted.  I'm sure I'll get flamed for making a "VIP-style" coupe, but oh well, you can love it or hate it.

my friends jp f50 would own this

[QUOTE=kyeguy82;38044]Let me reiterate since my point was not made, [B]I never said the car was VIP[/B].  I posted in this forum since it was a Infiniti forum.  Thats what a forum is right?  But then again, I should also note, that this is also where people flame things because their "friend said so."  

I could care less what you think about the car.  Aesthetically, people have different opinions about everything.  Thats why everyone styles their own personal cars in their own fashion.  If you read what I had said, I am just trying to get you guys to justify why the wheels "suck."  Point made simple, cast wheels do not suck, most of the wheels that you VIP guys are actually are repping are made with cast centers, with the inner and outer lips being the only forged part (not every forged wheel manufacturer does this, but some do).  Then again, I bet some of you never even knew that.  

I never wished to make petty little arguments with any of you.  I just take things to offense when people make disparaging comments about a product without having any knowledge or proof about how they are made and even how they compare to other types of wheels out there.  

I'm done arguing with you guys here.  If you wish to join in on the bashing, feel free to do so, as for me, I'll watch what I post here.  Other than that, Project G35 (V35coupe/Skyline) is soon coming along, and I'll keep you guys posted.  I'm sure I'll get flamed for making a "VIP-style" coupe, but oh well, you can love it or hate it.[/QUOTE]


If you could care less about what we thought about the car, and the wheels, then you wouldn't feel the need to rebuttle every statement. Fact of the matter is, you were probably hoping, that by showing off that q45, people would see the wheels, and think, "yeah that's cool, its cheap, its vip, i'd take those axis wheels" etc etc. Well your shameless plug didn't work. People like you, would do well with an auto-luxury forum on this website, where those of you who don't know VIP would hang out, and talk about how the 'rest of us' think we are better than you. 
Please go take your wheels somewhere else, nobody rocks axis wheels except for ricers anyways.

[QUOTE=kyeguy82;38044]Let me reiterate since my point was not made, [B]I never said the car was VIP[/B].  I posted in this forum since it was a Infiniti forum.  Thats what a forum is right?  

I am just trying to get you guys to justify why the wheels "suck."  Point made simple, cast wheels do not suck, most of the wheels that you VIP guys are actually repping are made with cast centers, with the inner and outer lips being the only forged part (not every forged wheel manufacturer does this, but some do).  

I just take things to offense when people make disparaging comments about a product without having any knowledge or proof about how they are made and even how they compare to other types of wheels out there.  [/QUOTE]

OK lets start from the top down:
1) The forum is VIPSTYLECARS.com and Infiniti is a section...so yes, people would expext infiniti's in this SECTION. But, the key word is Vip...I'll write it again--->V i p. This car belongs in either: PICTUREs, OFF TOPIC or DISCUSSION (if you want to convince us that the car is Vip and that the wheels are not complete pieces of shit) section.

2) Ok lets go about Axis wheels from another point of view...since you know more than any of us here on this forum, please educate us about Axis wheels. Dumb asses like myself can't figure out how this company can sell their wheels for $200 each. To me $200 vs $800-1000/wheels is a huge jump. Convince me that Axis wheels are not complete pieces of shit. Oh and saying that "they are not" won't cut it. 

3) How does Axis compare to other companies out there? But please don't compare them to brands you can get at your local Wall Mart...compare them to reputable companies like Work, Rays, MAE, BBS, Advan, Weds, HRE, etc.

As for your G35 project. Personally I am looking forward to that, and as long as its done with taste and style (key word is Style)....I will give you mad props. BUT if you post it with Axis wheels on it...well just don't post it at all.

It's your turn now.

I think its over... Im a former Axis owner I really had no problems but they were replaced with a set of Work so I guess you grow as you go.

nice cima!

some of you guys are so caught up in the brand name that it's rediculous! Have a mind for yourselves for once. 

that Axis f50 looks nice,  it definitely ain't an ugly car!

I ain't too into copy cat wheels either but I'll tell ya this: they all just about bend the same when you start playing with 35 series tires.

[QUOTE=Qproject;38176]

that Axis f50 looks nice,  it definitely ain't an ugly car!
QUOTE]


No its not nice.

[QUOTE=Qproject;38176]some of you guys are so caught up in the brand name that it's rediculous! Have a mind for yourselves for once. 

that Axis f50 looks nice,  it definitely ain't an ugly car!

I ain't too into copy cat wheels either but I'll tell ya this: they all just about bend the same when you start playing with 35 series tires.[/QUOTE]

Before I went into claining that axis wheels are pieces of shit i actually did a little research and there have been cases where wheels cracked after 6 months of use on the street. Is that normal?

That Cima could have been worse. That is true. Is it nice? Its OK...it's not very tastefilly done. Its too sporty...this bodykit belongs on a coupe and not on a sedan.

[QUOTE=Qproject;38176]some of you guys are so caught up in the brand name that it's rediculous! Have a mind for yourselves for once. 

that Axis f50 looks nice,  it definitely ain't an ugly car!

I ain't too into copy cat wheels either but I'll tell ya this: they all just about bend the same when you start playing with 35 series tires.[/QUOTE]


No one is caught up with brand names... 

The car is pretty haphazardly thrown togeather... 

I mean, it "supposedly" has a Wise sports kit on it.. and no one is saying that looks nice are they? So it really has nothing to do with brand names, and everything to do with the car just looking like everything other car you see in america.... unthoughtout with crappy wheels.. sweet... put it on the cover of import tuner!

[QUOTE=kyeguy82;38044]Let me reiterate since my point was not made, [B]I never said the car was VIP[/B].  I posted in this forum since it was a Infiniti forum.  Thats what a forum is right?  But then again, I should also note, that this is also where people flame things because their "friend said so."  

I could care less what you think about the car.  Aesthetically, people have different opinions about everything.  Thats why everyone styles their own personal cars in their own fashion.  If you read what I had said, I am just trying to get you guys to justify why the wheels "suck."  Point made simple, cast wheels do not suck, most of the wheels that you VIP guys are actually are repping are made with cast centers, with the inner and outer lips being the only forged part (not every forged wheel manufacturer does this, but some do).  Then again, I bet some of you never even knew that.  

I never wished to make petty little arguments with any of you.  I just take things to offense when people make disparaging comments about a product without having any knowledge or proof about how they are made and even how they compare to other types of wheels out there.  

I'm done arguing with you guys here.  If you wish to join in on the bashing, feel free to do so, as for me, I'll watch what I post here.  Other than that, Project G35 (V35coupe/Skyline) is soon coming along, and I'll keep you guys posted.  I'm sure I'll get flamed for making a "VIP-style" coupe, but oh well, you can love it or hate it.[/QUOTE]

u sure are defensive for a company represntitive. if your product is sooo good and holds such a high name in the wheel game, u wouldn't need to argue your point. your product would argue for itself. in fact ill argue in your favor if you can show me your sales and earnings-per-share growth and debt-to-capital ratios in the past 12 months. from a business stand point that's all that matters. as far as wheel designs and uniquness you're under par in my eyes. just as much as people hate fake lv's and gucci... I hate unoriginal wheels. sure some wheel companies mock designs and add their own style to it but theres an extreme. u an rota are neck and neck on that extreme. and I do have personal experience in your wheels. learn to take constructive criticism and don't be so touchy. and definitely don't be insulting the enthusuest. remember, without us you guys wouldn't be in business. it only takes one magazine or sponsor to see your immature post to take action. I'd be ashamed to have u as my product rep. but real business men don't have to justify anything. the truth come in numbers.

as far as the Q. I don't like it simply bc its not my style. I consider myself to be very open minded as far as modding car goes but nothing on that car flow. the kit doesn't flow with the body lines and the wheels just don't look right on that chasis... axis wheels or not. vip or not, its just unattractive.

[QUOTE=Dark Anghell;38186]Before I went into claining that axis wheels are pieces of shit i actually did a little research and there have been cases where wheels cracked after 6 months of use on the street. Is that normal?

[/QUOTE]

These were posted on the Porsche forum.

Fiske forged wheels:

It really depends on what you use them for to say that cheap wheels crack. We all know HRE, Kinesis, Fiske, ect brands are not cheap, and they still crack/fail. There is alot more stress on wheels due to street driving since not all roads are even and perfect compared to a track usage only wheel. On the other hand, failure on the track usually ends up being more catastropic. I'm trying to stick with oem wheels due to budget concerns and strength.

HRE wheels:

wow that should not be happening on that fikse wheel.

NO WAY, not for that amount money it costs.

the wheel should bend and warp before it starts to crack.

if a crack happens before a bend or warp, that means the wheels are sucky.

Actually, this did happen on a Fiske, a total of 5 cracks had developed. Word was that Fiske had a bad batch of aluminum and/or had at the time outsourced some of their production. Another Porsche owner had his Fiske replaced under warranry 3 times due to cracking as well. There was a post on Audiworld where 9 cars with HRE had their wheels fail in one track day.

HRE are known for shitty quality too.
theyve been banned from many tracks around the nation from what i hear.

I cant help but to notice at all the people making fun of this car that are driving 15 year old, $5,000 cars sitting on $3500 wheels.


Seems that a guy who owns a wheel company SHOULD rock his own wheels. You know he can afford whatever he wants, (Axis DOES make 3 piece forged wheels too, you know) and saying that Axis compares to Rota? thats insane. Every single Rota wheel is a knockoff... a direct knockoff at that. Axis has more than a few styles that are original. 


and as far as Axis quality is concerned, I'v had a set of the 20" se7en Mods on my 4500lb daily driver for over 3 years now (not my daily anymore though) and as shitty as Oklahoma roads are, i have never had a bent, or damaged wheel, even running 30 series tires.

every one of my wheels looks like it did the day i got them.


note: im not defending Axis as a whole, just my good experience with them.  seems that some of you guys are on the "uber leet JDM VIP or nothing" bandwagon, and so quick to bash something just because it doesnt fit into your "mold" (or because the person/people posted before you didnt like it).

I am sure under stress many wheels will fail. But from reading the latest posts, most wheels failed at the track...the amount of stress being excerted on those wheels is at least 10 times greater than on the street. But unlike companies from the previous posts, Axis wheels fail under normal driving conditions such as getting from A to B. I understand that they are trying to keep the costs down, but there comes a point where a company should say stop and figure out why their wheels are failing...right now they are destroying their brand name...and having reps get mad at people on boards is not helping this either.

Personally all I want are some statistics to prove me and other people wrong.

Axis does not make their "own" wheel, their stuff is outsourced. They are probably getting their 3 piece configurations from ASA. 

and BTW the se7en design is NASTAY!

[QUOTE=PIMPALA-SS;38366]

(Axis DOES make 3 piece forged wheels too, you know) [/QUOTE]

yeah maybe they should just hire someone full time as their in house designer rather than relying on copying.

c'mon axis just pay some legit designer 100,000 a year and be original. Cut down on your marketing costs and hire a legit designer. Those import models are really not fooling anyone you know ?



[QUOTE=Dark Anghell;38367]I am sure under stress many wheels will fail. But from reading the latest posts, most wheels failed at the track...the amount of stress being excerted on those wheels is at least 10 times greater than on the street. But unlike companies from the previous posts, Axis wheels fail under normal driving conditions such as getting from A to B. I understand that they are trying to keep the costs down, but there comes a point where a company should say stop and figure out why their wheels are failing...right now they are destroying their brand name...and having reps get mad at people on boards is not helping this either.

Personally all I want are some statistics to prove me and other people wrong.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PIMPALA-SS;38366]I cant help but to notice at all the people making fun of this car that are driving 15 year old, $5,000 cars sitting on $3500 wheels.


Seems that a guy who owns a wheel company SHOULD rock his own wheels. You know he can afford whatever he wants, (Axis DOES make 3 piece forged wheels too, you know) and saying that Axis compares to Rota? thats insane. Every single Rota wheel is a knockoff... a direct knockoff at that. Axis has more than a few styles that are original. 


and as far as Axis quality is concerned, I'v had a set of the 20" se7en Mods on my 4500lb daily driver for over 3 years now (not my daily anymore though) and as shitty as Oklahoma roads are, i have never had a bent, or damaged wheel, even running 30 series tires.

every one of my wheels looks like it did the day i got them.


note: im not defending Axis as a whole, just my good experience with them.  seems that some of you guys are on the "uber leet JDM VIP or nothing" bandwagon, and so quick to bash something just because it doesnt fit into your "mold" (or because the person/people posted before you didnt like it).[/QUOTE]

True a lot of us are driving less expensive cars with wheels that cost almost as much as the car itself. Same can go to muscle car guys who put $10K into their engine while the shell is only worth few grand. Is that wrong? No.

The only reason why this argument started was because the person claimed that Axis makes good quality wheels and that car looks good...yet he would not back up his claim on wheel quality. 

You are one of the few who's wheels are in great shape. Does this make the company any better? No. I have read one guy posting his warranty transaction with axis, where they basically said that since he drove on those wheels, he is not entiteled to a whole lot. It might be that they are buying materials that other wheel manufacturers don't want. So even though they might be built by same factories as high end wheels (reputable companies), their quality is still just as bad as before due to materials.

Axis does have few designs, where they either copied popular wheels, or took an old design and added lip to it (se7en for example). But you have to agree that majority of their wheels are copies of other wheels. But the copy stops on looks...they didn't get the whole quality concept down yet.

[QUOTE=Qproject;38176]some of you guys are so caught up in the brand name that it's rediculous! Have a mind for yourselves for once. 

that Axis f50 looks nice,  it definitely ain't an ugly car!

I ain't too into copy cat wheels either but I'll tell ya this: they all just about bend the same when you start playing with 35 series tires.[/QUOTE]

Well said.

[QUOTE=marksport;38314]These were posted on the Porsche forum.

Fiske forged wheels:[/QUOTE]

Note the 30 series tires.  Just not practical IMO.  With that setup, you are just asking for it on a daily D.

Would any of you consider Lenso a well built wheel?

Personally, I think you all have the whole "VIP style" thing wrong.  VIP is actually a certain platform / chasis to begin with which would consist of the flagship models of the big japanese car manufacturers.  All other platforms should be considered "VIP style".  So then would that make all the guys inspired by the syle not worhty?  Like if they cannot afford say an uber expensive set of Fabulous profounds and a Junction produce aero kit?  So what you're saying is that since I drive a GS300 but do not have the funtickets to spare on a set of JP scaras I should not post here?  Do not get me wrong.  I love the way VIP cars look, heck I even incorporated it into my username for that very reason.  I just think some of you guys take it a little too far in bashing everything that is not 100% "true VIP".  I know this is the infinity forum but, I needed to get that off of my chest when I saw some of you guys' uber-snobish posts toward other members.  I guess this scene will never grow with attitudes like these.  I personnally will not be a part of a group who always shuns instead of taking the time to give guidance to others interested in the culture.  Thanks for nothing.

GS3

and someone please show me what wheel this is a copy of:

[IMG]http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/PIMPALA-SS3/STARBIRD06/DSC02250.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=PIMPALA-SS;38366]I cant help but to notice at all the people making fun of this car that are driving 15 year old, $5,000 cars sitting on $3500 wheels.


Seems that a guy who owns a wheel company SHOULD rock his own wheels. You know he can afford whatever he wants, (Axis DOES make 3 piece forged wheels too, you know) and saying that Axis compares to Rota? thats insane. Every single Rota wheel is a knockoff... a direct knockoff at that. Axis has more than a few styles that are original. 


and as far as Axis quality is concerned, I'v had a set of the 20" se7en Mods on my 4500lb daily driver for over 3 years now (not my daily anymore though) and as shitty as Oklahoma roads are, i have never had a bent, or damaged wheel, even running 30 series tires.

every one of my wheels looks like it did the day i got them.


note: im not defending Axis as a whole, just my good experience with them.  seems that some of you guys are on the "uber leet JDM VIP or nothing" bandwagon, and so quick to bash something just because it doesnt fit into your "mold" (or because the person/people posted before you didnt like it).[/QUOTE]

was that directed towards me? truth be told I could afford any car I wanted. I bought an old mercedes by choice knowing I was going to get into the vipstyled cars and I wanted a different platform. look at my parts and the way the car was overall executed. clean. with no help of sponsors. I've build many cars in my time from show cars, 400+ hp show wrx, old porsches and daily drivers on real wheels AND knockoffs. I've owned axis, volk, work, rota, wedsport, advan and nippon racing. I've had cheap intercoolers and manifolds then oneoff custom parts. basicallly when push comes to shove replicas are shit. plain and simple. at the end of the day it all plays itself out. don't make a personal attack at me bc my '15 yr old car on 3500 dollar wheels'. what can I say, I perfer to have nicer things.

and if it make u feel any better I have a 4000 dollar paint job. man, does that give u goosebumps or what?

It wasnt directed to anyone. just a generalization. its just that normally people that couldnt buy a car like that, are the first to critisize.

and no, $4,000 paint jobs dont give me goosebumps, lol.  ive (stupidly) spent almost $60,000 on a $15,000 Impala over the last 3 years or so... but we all do dumb things.

and by posted the car on an open forum he's  putting it out there for constructive criticism. not everyone will like what's put out there... this hobby isn't  for the close minded.

Word.


but voicing an opinion, and being a complete asshole, are two different things.

[QUOTE=PIMPALA-SS;38366]
note: im not defending Axis as a whole, just my good experience with them.  seems that some of you guys are on the "uber leet JDM VIP or nothing" bandwagon, and so quick to bash something just because it doesnt fit into your "mold" (or because the person/people posted before you didnt like it).[/QUOTE]


So becuase you put shitty wheels on your car(s), you call out people who actually have a sence of taste in wheels becuase they are "jdm" lol... 

of course everyone has different "taste" so let me be more specific... The majority of people on this site, like to have choices when they buy wheels, such as many differnt offsets, disk, width, finish, etc... Something Axis wheels do not offer... and another reason why they suck. 


Get over it, Axis wheels are low quality end of story. You can try and justify it to make yourself feel better till your blue in the face, and you're more than welcome to.

[QUOTE=PIMPALA-SS;38382]and someone please show me what wheel this is a copy of:

[IMG]http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/PIMPALA-SS3/STARBIRD06/DSC02250.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

who cares if its a copy or not. totally ugly. 1 piece cast with glued on plastic rivets. baller. 300$ a rim just OOZES vip.

PS reverse dive bomb spokes just for the sake of squeezing a weak 2 inch lip out of a 40 offset wheel, is probably the worst "design" element ever made.

and no, lenso wheels are garbage can stuffing. everything on their webpage was 1 peice cast. perfect wall filler for a used tire shop.

[QUOTE=chmercer;38393]who cares if its a copy or not. totally ugly. 1 piece cast with glued on plastic rivets. baller. 300$ a rim just OOZES vip.

PS reverse dive bomb spokes just for the sake of squeezing a weak 2 inch lip out of a 40 offset wheel, is probably the worst "design" element ever made.

and no, lenso wheels are garbage can stuffing. everything on their webpage was 1 peice cast. perfect wall filler for a used tire shop.[/QUOTE]


+1 Esp. about soke design.

[QUOTE=Dark Anghell;38367]I am sure under stress many wheels will fail. But from reading the latest posts, most wheels failed at the track...the amount of stress being excerted on those wheels is at least 10 times greater than on the street. But unlike companies from the previous posts, Axis wheels fail under normal driving conditions such as getting from A to B. I understand that they are trying to keep the costs down, but there comes a point where a company should say stop and figure out why their wheels are failing...right now they are destroying their brand name...and having reps get mad at people on boards is not helping this either.

Personally all I want are some statistics to prove me and other people wrong.[/QUOTE]

I've seen street driven cars with expensive high end wheels fail. They tend to   just develop cracks rather than completely break apart. Track wheels are under more stress but are usually more maintained and checked where as street use, you have rough roads and all kinds of obstacles. You would think that for the price of some of these wheels, they would be as strong as the OEM wheels which I have only seen a few fail. OEM wheels are just cast and very rarely forged. 

[QUOTE=VIPGS3;38377]Note the 30 series tires.  Just not practical IMO.  With that setup, you are just asking for it on a daily D.[/QUOTE]

Not much you can do as a 295/30/18 is the factory OEM specified size for the Porsche 996 on the OEM 18x11 wheel. Going to a different profile size throws off the balance in terms of handling and braking. This is the reason that I run OEM wheels for daily driving. Even being hollowspokes, they are still a bit heavy, but they won't crack or bend like most aftermarket wheels have.

[QUOTE=PIMPALA-SS;38382]and someone please show me what wheel this is a copy of:

[IMG]http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/PIMPALA-SS3/STARBIRD06/DSC02250.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Similar to 
[IMG]http://www.globalautoshop.com/images/wheels/starform/starformBasel1.jpg[/IMG]

Manufacturer:
Starform/Basel Japan

similar? that's practically a dead on knock off. same amount of rivets, spokes, only thing different is the fact that the axis wheels have a plastic center cap.

[QUOTE=Caoboy;38406]similar? that's practically a dead on knock off. same amount of rivets, spokes, only thing different is the fact that the axis wheels have a plastic center cap.[/QUOTE]

=)

both the centercap, and the "nut" are solid aluminum, FWIW.

looks nearly identical, though im sure you can take nearly any 7 spoke wheel, and do the same comparison.

Granted se7ens are nasty IMO, but to each his own.  Rays engineering makes an entire line of cast wheels (Gram Lights).  Are they crap too?  In other words every wheel that is not "JDM" is crap. Right?  You guys are funny. Some of you may want to check your spelling too.

BTW, speaking of rays wheels.  They have several wheels that are copies of other wheels.  should I start a list.  Lets take fabulous wheels for example.  That wheel is a direct knock off of the old school mercedes hammer wheel.  The q in this thread is NOT VIP at all.  It is more sport IMO.  A clean car yes but, not very well executed.

VIP3GS: VIP is definately about having the right platform, but it also about having the right look. The car has to be tasteful and modifications complement the bodylines that allready exist. That's why you don't see shogun or whatever they are called bodykits on VIP cars...true that was the case back in the day of crazy wide VIP cars. BUT today they are more subtle.

You will definately see more bashing towards cars that are using "budget" wheels because most people on this board don't like to cut corners. I have nothing against wheels that are not from the main manufacturers...but I will not show any respect toward a person who buys a nice luxury car and slap some inexpensive wheels with very poor design that does not match the car. To me it seems like an afterthought. 

Now onto Gram Lights...Rays actually spends money in building their wheels. So even though they are cast, their quality was not decreased due to cheaper materials or oveall poor design.

If you want people to give you props for having weak offset wheels that don't flow with the rest of the car, join clublexus...if you want honest opinion even if it's a bit harsh at times, then stick around and learn more about the style and use it in your buildup. 

Probably the main reason why this board has changed lately is beacuse we are getting a bunch of people who want to claim they have a Vip styled car without putting any money or effort into it...not to mention not having a car that can be Vip styled to begin with. In the case of this thread...crappy wheels+untastefully done exterior=resistance and bashing. You would get the same result on any other forum.

[QUOTE=PIMPALA-SS;38412]both the centercap, and the "nut" are solid aluminum, FWIW.

looks nearly identical, though im sure you can take nearly any 7 spoke wheel, and do the same comparison.[/QUOTE]

So you were wrong. And no not every 7 spoke wheels looks like that ugly ass shit. Just face the reality that Axis wheel are sub par. Stop defending junk just because you own a set.

[QUOTE=VIPGS3;38415]Granted se7ens are nasty IMO, but to each his own.  Rays engineering makes an entire line of cast wheels (Gram Lights).  Are they crap too?  In other words every wheel that is not "JDM" is crap. Right?  You guys are funny. Some of you may want to check your spelling too.[/QUOTE]

Work also makes cast wheels... lots of wheel companies make cast wheels... so what? The reasons that Axis wheels are crap isn't simply because they are cast wheels. There are a variety of reasons, which have already been listed. 

And who gives a shit about spelling seriously... this isn't high school get over it.

[QUOTE=Dark Anghell;38423]VIP3GS: VIP is definately about having the right platform, but it also about having the right look. The car has to be tasteful and modifications complement the bodylines that allready exist. That's why you don't see shogun or whatever they are called bodykits on VIP cars...true that was the case back in the day of crazy wide VIP cars. BUT today they are more subtle.

You will definately see more bashing towards cars that are using "budget" wheels because most people on this board don't like to cut corners. I have nothing against wheels that are not from the main manufacturers...but I will not show any respect toward a person who buys a nice luxury car and slap some inexpensive wheels with very poor design that does not match the car. To me it seems like an afterthought. 

Now onto Gram Lights...Rays actually spends money in building their wheels. So even though they are cast, their quality was not decreased due to cheaper materials or oveall poor design.

If you want people to give you props for having weak offset wheels that don't flow with the rest of the car, join clublexus...if you want honest opinion even if it's a bit harsh at times, then stick around and learn more about the style and use it in your buildup. 

Probably the main reason why this board has changed lately is beacuse we are getting a bunch of people who want to claim they have a Vip styled car without putting any money or effort into it...not to mention not having a car that can be Vip styled to begin with. In the case of this thread...crappy wheels+untastefully done exterior=resistance and bashing. You would get the same result on any other forum.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, so whay are there people allowed to post in this forum that own other non-VIP platforms that run crappy axis wheels?  Like say scion xbs?

Damn, this thread turned into quite a touchy thread (quite interesting to read what people have to say).  I really don't mind all thats being said, and NO, I do not own AXIS, nor do I work for them.  I'm just someone that works in the "industry" and feels like I have some reason to back a certain aftermarket company.  

The wheels are not crappy.  I really don't know how to prove it to you.  They, along with other well known brands, have been cycled through multiple tests to garner their certification from JWL, VIA, and another one (can't put my finger on it).  Not all manufacturers out there go that far as to get that many certifcations.  

The cases that you guys are throwing out (wheels cracking and bending) happen to every company.  No manufacturer is clear from this and there is nothing you can do about this.  Blem's just happen in production and sometimes they are not spotted til unfortunately, an end user has a problem.  

Most cases are taken in accordingly and handled just like every other company out there.  I'm sorry to hear about your "friend," maybe its people like them that don't know the limits of a larger sized wheel.  I'm not saying that it was his fault, but in most cases, people tend to drive harshly on oversized wheels thinking that they can take as much abuse as a regular 16" rim with a 50 series tire, which most of you know is not the case.  

Wheel designs are replicated all the time.  Even some of your "VIP" wheels look the same.  The only reason you guys are quiet about this is because they are coming from Japan, automatically adding validity to the product.  Over there its the same as here, designs get bitten off and someone makes a bigger dollar out of someones $0.15 (did that make sense?  just sounded cool ;) ).  Some of the designs may not be unique (I'm not saying that they do not replicate wheels) but at least they stand by their product.  That's one of the reasons why they've been in the business for so long.

Can we just stop talking smack about AXIS?  They did nothing to you or your car so stop bashing them.  It's one thing to talk bad about a company if they did you wrong, but for the people that have no previous experience with the wheels just keep your "opinionated" comments to yourself.  Yes, it is a forum, but like pimpala said "there's a line between voicing your opinion and being a complete a$$ about the matter."

[QUOTE=jzz30tt;38427]Work also makes cast wheels... lots of wheel companies make cast wheels... so what? The reasons that Axis wheels are crap isn't simply because they are cast wheels. There are a variety of reasons, which have already been listed. 

And who gives a shit about spelling seriously... this isn't high school get over it.[/QUOTE]


and the reasons are:
".........once upon a time i had a "friend" that had a set that cracked..............."

I myself am not a fan of axis and I'll be the first one to admit that I do not know much about the culture, hence the reason why I post here.  I post to get info and guidance.  On the other hand, if you are going to follow the VIP moniker, what's with all the faker platforms?

jzz30tt:  you must be the one with the spelling problem because you seem to be the only one making a big deal about it.  JK, chill out man don't get all bent out of shape and what not.

One more comment before leaving work:

Did you know???  The manufacturers that produce the wheels for companies like AXIS actually make OEM wheels?  Are OEM wheels crap quality?

Lets just lay it on the table. . Its an attitude thing.. .[B]They Just Arent Cool[/B]. Straight up. . They aint cool enough. .. And thats my attitude towards Blah company's wheels. ..

I dont like AXIS/Sportmax/Rota/Nippon Racing/Motegi/RO-JA, or any other Blah wheel company's wheels cuz they: copy other wheels, they're made in taiwan. . and they have an uncool image.. Even if they rebadge other "nicer high quality" wheels as their own. . I, and most likely other people [B]STILL[/B] wouldn't like them, simply cuz they say AXIS (or whatever other crap name they thought up) on them. . .That is simply mine, and some other's attitudes. .It is not a cool one, It is Eliteist,Judgemental, and somewhat Arrogant  BUT still our opinions. . . . . .  .LOTS of "cool" companies make cast shitty wheels. .Namely WORK, RAYS, even WEDS all have cast wheels that are supposedly better. .But honestly. .We dont scrutinize them as much because they are "JDM " "quality" and "cool" Basically NAME BRAND..  Ever picked up a WORK XSA 02C. ?? (cast center, welded 2 pce wheel) NOT LIGHT. .and we have an inside joke about the "GRAM LIGHTS" 57PRO. .we call em "Gram heavies". . They MAY or MAY not be better in terms of engineering and manufacturing..  We've all see the Rays Factory pictures and catalogs.. with JWL this and ISO9002 That. .  But are their lower lines REALLLLY any better than AXIS wheels. . prolly not. . Just [B]COOLER[/B]. . . Maybe its just because Blah companies [B]TRY[/B] to front like they are a "name brand". . but still copy everyone elses style . . if they were No name Taiwanese rims That had theyre [B]own[/B] style. .for dirt cheap prices.. then they wouldn't be so bad(not for VIP though).. cuz nobody would care, at least they are being true to what they are. . . . . 
 Bottom line, AXIS rims (and other said companies) . . IMO, will never be VIP cuz they just aint cool enough. . [B]QUALITY AND STYLING ASIDE[/B]. .. They jsut dont have that VIPness about them. . The Rareness, Style and Aura of Expensive and (somewhat) Rare JAPANESE rims. .even IF they are made in Taiwan (Most arent) 
  Id rather have some older Japanese small name or brand name 3 pce garbage with weak sizing, then re-lip them to retarded sizes, Re-finish them to my liking,  than buy [B]new[/B] "AXIS VIP" wheels..  But thats just me. . 

AND how cool is it to look at those JDM wheels sizing charts and [B]CHOOSE YOUR OWN EXACT SIZING AND OFFSET AND FINISH AND BOLTS AND LIP AND ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN THINK OF[/B].. . .[B]Thats[/B] why I think Expensive wheels are cool. . 


G.

PS. . .  That F50 looks weak. . like every other "VIP Style Car" built by clueless people. . Imitating instead of innovating. . and completely lacking indiviuality. .

[QUOTE=VIPGS3;38442]Agreed, so whay are there people allowed to post in this forum that own other non-VIP platforms that run crappy axis wheels?  Like say scion xbs?[/QUOTE]

There are only a few people running "cookie cutter" wheels on this site, and if you check out the responces to the pictures of those cars it's usually the same: "good start...when are you gonna change your wheels". Everyone gets the same treatment.

Personally I think there are 4 types of people in this industry:
1)average guy who loves customising cars, and has a good eye/taste for it.
2)average guy who loves customising cars, but has shitty taste
3)a person with lots of $, and good eye/taste for customising
4)a person with lots of $, and shitty taste (example: the car in this tread)

On this board, people who fall into 2nd and 4th category tend to get the worst of it. Mainly because they can't take constructive criticism and use it as an aid in building a car.

Now onto people who have non Vip platforms...I think any 4 door and some coupes as well as most k-cars can be vip styled. Good examples would be few Lancers posted on this site with fabulous look-alike kits and dish wheels. But 240 crowd gets bashed because...well...a sports car should stay as a sports car...just like a 4 oor luxury sedan should stay that way instead of being turned into a sports car.

Just enjoy your stay, and since you feel the same way as we do about the wheels, you are on the right track haha.

[QUOTE=Gseventhree;38450]. . Imitating instead of innovating. . and completely lacking indiviuality. .[/QUOTE]

I don't want to sound like I'm flaming you (or anyone else for that matter) because I'm not. ....

IMO, I think there's the fine line with that statement. If you actually think about it, most of the VIP cars in the USA 'conform' to a certain (elegant) style and feel. A look, which is emulated from Japan tuning.

Individuality comes with a keen eye, therefore making our style subtle. Therefore, the ones who hold the 'individual look' most likely does not look like anything from Japan. Albeit, most are hideous - ARE - individual. 

With innovation, that's a funny one. Alot of guys here just ask about certain wheels, offsets, widths and tire sizes and try to copy that for their look. There's nothing wrong with that, but I give it up to the guys who actually sit down and measure (calculate) the proper wheel size for that perfect look. There are only a handful of us who actually do that. So innovation? I think it's safe to say there isnt much innovation out there.  UNLESS, someone makes their own designs for suspension, bodykits, wheels..etc. 

There isn't too much that goes into a VIPcar, it's a simple formula:
STANCE, RIDE HEIGHT, WHEEL SIZE/OFFSET, TIRE SIZE will make or break the car... body kits, emblems, etc.. are all accent pieces (not necessities’) to accentuate the look.

for the record... there are different casting techniques for wheels. some better than others. so a cast wheel from company A can be a shit load better than a cast wheel from company B.

[QUOTE=kyeguy82;38444]and the reasons are:
".........once upon a time i had a "friend" that had a set that cracked..............."[/QUOTE]

No dumbass read my previous posts. The reasons I listed have nothing to do with craked/bent/vaporized wheels

All wheels will eventually crack, bend, whatever... Just like no car will run forever with no problems. 

Although I find it funny that some poeple think a race wheel (that is subjected to race conditions) should hold up better than a Axis wheel that gets driven to the grocery store and back. A race wheel is built to be light.. obviously it's going to fuck up eventually if pushed hard enough.. I'm not taking HRE's side here cause those wheels suck ass right along with Axis (for different reasons though)... I'm just saying that Axis wheels aren't light, they weigh a ton... I wouldn't expect them to just break for no reason..

actually you sound like a dumbass, wannabe "mr know it all" but don't know jack sh*t type of person. Take out the "brand name" affect out of the equation and you'd be lost as a joke.

seriously just shut up for once.



[QUOTE=jzz30tt;38482]No dumbass read my previous posts. The reasons I listed have nothing to do with craked/bent/vaporized wheels

All wheels will eventually crack, bend, whatever... Just like no car will run forever with no problems. 

Although I find it funny that some poeple think a race wheel (that is subjected to race conditions) should hold up better than a Axis wheel that gets driven to the grocery store and back. A race wheel is built to be light.. obviously it's going to fuck up eventually if pushed hard enough.. I'm not taking HRE's side here cause those wheels suck ass right along with Axis (for different reasons though)... I'm just saying that Axis wheels aren't light, they weigh a ton... I wouldn't expect them to just break for no reason..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=jzz30tt;38482]I'm just saying that Axis wheels aren't light, they weigh a ton... I wouldn't expect them to just break for no reason..[/QUOTE]


wrong

Mods lets close this thread, its getting a bit outa hand.
and mind as well start a Debat thread about Axis Wheels.

[QUOTE=Qproject;38493]actually you sound like a dumbass, wannabe "mr know it all" but don't know jack sh*t type of person. Take out the "brand name" affect out of the equation and you'd be lost as a joke.

seriously just shut up for once.[/QUOTE]

lol that's funny... aparently your feelings are still hurt... poor thing. 

I think Axis wheels are for ricers ;-)

It's BIGOT WANNABE ricers that give forums like this a bad name. The fact is, your a brand name whore, and you don't have a mind of your own. Your postings prove this. 

and you know you'd be all over those wheels if it had the "abercrombie and fitch" label on it.

[QUOTE=jzz30tt;38518]lol that's funny... aparently your feelings are still hurt... poor thing. 

I think Axis wheels are for ricers ;-)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VIPete;38465]I don't want to sound like I'm flaming you (or anyone else for that matter) because I'm not. ....

IMO, I think there's the fine line with that statement. If you actually think about it, most of the VIP cars in the USA 'conform' to a certain (elegant) style and feel. A look, which is emulated from Japan tuning.

Individuality comes with a keen eye, therefore making our style subtle. Therefore, the ones who hold the 'individual look' most likely does not look like anything from Japan. Albeit, most are hideous - ARE - individual. 

With innovation, that's a funny one. Alot of guys here just ask about certain wheels, offsets, widths and tire sizes and try to copy that for their look. There's nothing wrong with that, but I give it up to the guys who actually sit down and measure (calculate) the proper wheel size for that perfect look. There are only a handful of us who actually do that. So innovation? I think it's safe to say there isnt much innovation out there.  UNLESS, someone makes their own designs for suspension, bodykits, wheels..etc. 

There isn't too much that goes into a VIPcar, it's a simple formula:
STANCE, RIDE HEIGHT, WHEEL SIZE/OFFSET, TIRE SIZE will make or break the car... body kits, emblems, etc.. are all accent pieces (not necessities’) to accentuate the look.[/QUOTE]


Somewhat agreed..   

But thats where it ends.. because.. VIP isnt any better or worse than any other form of modifying. .ITS JUST A DIFFERENT PLATFORM..or STYLE. ..  Why stop at those things you listed.. id be impressed at a VIP car that had a fully done motor. . a 6 speed 1000hp celsior that was properly built and the engine bay was as clean and simple as the interior that had a set of bride CUGA's that were recovered in suede along with eveything else in the interior, and Burnt Titanium interior trim. .... THAT goes beyond your criteria. . Maybe you guys dont think thats important. . But as a car guy. . I do. . so what if you have X kit and Y wheels. and your car cannot possibly be any lower because it sits on the ground.. . did you build it. ?  Or did you choose parts out of a catalog and bolt them on?. .Does it reflect [B]your[/B] style, or the [B]last magazine [/B]you looked at. .. Its a coolness thing..  like [B]maybe[/B] even if you picked parts out of a catalog and put them together in a new, refreshing and stylish manner.. It might jsut be impressive.. But id be more impressed if you could ACTUALLY get the car to sit on the ground.. . [B]cuz you cant[/B]. . and practically drive it. . There is something not been done yet. . What for. .? cuz it hasn't been done yet. . and when you roll up to the show and dump your ride. .your Diana kit will be sealed to the floor . . .and thats just one example. .

I think VIP enthusiasts have to stop being so closed minded and thinking that eveything has to be this or that. .or else its not VIP. .  There is no VIP bible. . and Stop copying Japan. . use them as ideas to execute something that is your own.. . Granted it has to have certain qualities, and a certain look, and style. . But It still is a style.. just like hot rodding, 700hp street hondas, dubbed out trucks, racecars.. etc.. you [B]STILL[/B] have to push the envelope of any style that you are into.. .



G.

Gseventhree: read my sig. 

everyone else, watch out now, the n00bs are coming to 'skool' us on VIP.

[QUOTE=VIPete;38465]I don't want to sound like I'm flaming you (or anyone else for that matter) because I'm not. ....

IMO, I think there's the fine line with that statement. If you actually think about it, most of the VIP cars in the USA 'conform' to a certain (elegant) style and feel. A look, which is emulated from Japan tuning.

Individuality comes with a keen eye, therefore making our style subtle. Therefore, the ones who hold the 'individual look' most likely does not look like anything from Japan. Albeit, most are hideous - ARE - individual. 

With innovation, that's a funny one. Alot of guys here just ask about certain wheels, offsets, widths and tire sizes and try to copy that for their look. There's nothing wrong with that, but I give it up to the guys who actually sit down and measure (calculate) the proper wheel size for that perfect look. There are only a handful of us who actually do that. So innovation? I think it's safe to say there isnt much innovation out there.  UNLESS, someone makes their own designs for suspension, bodykits, wheels..etc. 

There isn't too much that goes into a VIPcar, it's a simple formula:
STANCE, RIDE HEIGHT, WHEEL SIZE/OFFSET, TIRE SIZE will make or break the car... body kits, emblems, etc.. are all accent pieces (not necessities’) to accentuate the look.[/QUOTE]

+1

[QUOTE=Prashant;38561]+1[/QUOTE]

I agree.  Is this not VIPStylecars.com?  Or is it VIPonly.com?  It IS in fact A STYLE!  If we all conformed to the "parameters" of VIP tuning, then there would be no other cars allowed to post here except the big three Japanese flagship models right?  That would mean that all the guys with scions and honda accords would have no place to go but their prespective run of the mill ricer forums.  This forum seems to be full of snobs.  Well, at least in the infiniti forum anyway.  I get treated better in the lexus / toyota forums.  I mean all this BS from a guy posting a pic of a ho hum example of a "sport tuned" q45.  WTF?  Everybody knows that Axis wheels are not the best choice but, some of us just can't afford a set of super exclusive mega staggered 19x10.5 /19x12.5 -0 offset wheels that cost $1300 each only to have them eaten for breakfast by an unavoidable pothole.  I think it's okay to emulate the syle as long as it's done tastefully.

[QUOTE=Caoboy;38531]Gseventhree: read my sig. 

everyone else, watch out now, the n00bs are coming to 'skool' us on VIP.[/QUOTE]

haha seriously... wtf is going on here?

[QUOTE=Qproject;38524]It's BIGOT WANNABE ricers that give forums like this a bad name. The fact is, your a brand name whore, and you don't have a mind of your own. Your postings prove this. 

and you know you'd be all over those wheels if it had the "abercrombie and fitch" label on it.[/QUOTE]

That's funny.. you think your not a brand name whore cause you rock a knock off kit? Does it make you feel justified doing so by calling other people brand name whores... hey man whatever floats your boat ;-) 

and no... 

The reasons Axis wheels suck is because they make extemely limited (usually just one or two) offset, width, disk, color, finish, etc choices. It has nothing to do with brand name. I don't like wheels I can't choose to fit exactly how I want them to...Some people are willing to settle for less than stellar fitment, I'm not.

[QUOTE=Caoboy;38531]Gseventhree: read my sig. 

everyone else, watch out now, the n00bs are coming to 'skool' us on VIP.[/QUOTE]

exclusiveness is not a word.  exclusivity is the word that you're looking for.

not trying to step on your toe's el, but: [url]http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=exclusiveness[/url]

in other words, there's a strict definition/guideline to being 'vip' and this car doesn't follow. 

the motto that most of the people know here, are " suspension and wheels first, get your stance set up, and you will ahead of the game".

Simply put, THIS CAR ISN'T CUTTING IT. 

/thread.

you have some serious issues bigot walmart boy.

and FYI, the work that went into the install far exceeds the kit. Of course you wouldn't understand because it's not "brand name".  And another FYI bigot boy, they do make exact replica wald lip kits but this is not a replica kit. 

If you knew a damn thing you would have figured it out.





[QUOTE=jzz30tt;38595]That's funny.. you think your not a brand name whore cause you rock a knock off kit? Does it make you feel justified doing so by calling other people brand name whores... hey man whatever floats your boat ;-) 

and no... 

The reasons Axis wheels suck is because they make extemely limited (usually just one or two) offset, width, disk, color, finish, etc choices. It has nothing to do with brand name. I don't like wheels I can't choose to fit exactly how I want them to...Some people are willing to settle for less than stellar fitment, I'm not.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Qproject;38604]you have some serious issues bigot walmart boy.

and FYI, the work that went into the install far exceeds the kit. Of course you wouldn't understand because it's not "brand name".  And another FYI bigot boy, they do make exact replica wald lip kits but this is not a replica kit. 

If you knew a damn thing you would have figured it out.[/QUOTE]

lol I have issues and your the one calling people names like a 3 year old? Like I said whatever makes you feel better. 

Although you're right, when it comes to wheels I am a brand name whore. Becuase I like quality wheels. I like wheels that I can choose any offset, width, disk, etc etc... and it just so happens the only wheels like that are brand name. Of course I also like CCW's, Kodiak's, etc.. which are AMERICAN brand names.. and also less known than most popular JDM brands... it has nothing to do with american or jdm. It has to do with being able to order custom wheels to my specs..

However, wheels are the only thing i'm all that concerned about when it comes to brand name stuff for my car. I never said anythign against you for sporting a knock off kit.. becuase I'm sure everyone else here has done the same at some point (I had a knock off of a knock off on my 240..haha). I just find it funny how upset your getting over people who like brand names. Who cares some people can afford it, move on. 

And WTF does walmart have to do with anything? I thought I was a brand name whore? So arn't you contradicting yourself? Maybe you shop there??? I dunno.

seriously, the name calling is :rolleyes:

hey brand names are fine. I have sold many high end brand names wheels and own a set myself.

but from reading your posts on this thread, it is clear that it is all that you have to go with. 

Take out the brand name appeal and you would be lost like a chicken with it's head cut off.

the fact is, if a piece of dog sh*t had a Junction Produce label on it then you'd be all over it. 

why do I call you walmart bigot boy ? well re-read your past postings on the term "ricer". 





[QUOTE=jzz30tt;38607]I just find it funny how upset your getting over people who like brand names. Who cares some people can afford it, move on. 

And WTF does walmart have to do with anything? I thought I was a brand name whore? So arn't you contradicting yourself? Maybe you shop there??? I dunno.[/QUOTE]

Wow.....  what a post.  This forum has gone from one of the pioneering forums on VIP to a hate war forum.  I was wondering why about 65% of the members here have 1 or 0 posts....maybe this bickering has something to do with it.  

...now, back to the bickering.... or just lock the thread....

well re-read some of his ricer thread postings and you'll know what's up.



[QUOTE=actolex;38611]Wow.....  what a post.  This forum has gone from one of the pioneering forums on VIP to a hate war forum.  I was wondering why about 65% of the members here have 1 or 0 posts....maybe this bickering has something to do with it.  

...now, back to the bickering.... or just lock the thread....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Qproject;38612]well re-read some of his ricer thread postings and you'll know what's up.[/QUOTE]


You should learn how to let things go man... it's over.. agree to disagree. 

geez. talk about holding a grudge. lol

like I said, if a piece of dog sh*t had the label junction produce then you'd be all over it.

[QUOTE=jzz30tt;38616]You should learn how to let things go man... it's over.. agree to disagree. 

geez. talk about holding a grudge. lol[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Qproject;38610]hey brand names are fine. I have sold many high end brand names wheels and own a set myself.

but from reading your posts on this thread, it is clear that it is all that you have to go with. 

Take out the brand name appeal and you would be lost like a chicken with it's head cut off.
[/QUOTE]


What have I owned that is JP? Nothing... infact the only brand name thing I have ever owned on all of the VIP cars i've ever owner were wheels and suspension. In fact I don't like any of JP's wheel designs. So I guess your theory is shot to hell. 

Like I said the only thing that matters to me as far as wheels go is quailty, design, and abilty to build to spec. Now show me an Axis wheels that encompasses all of these things. 

You should really just stop posting here. You're making yourself look like a complete ass. So what if we disagree on the word ricer... I think it's fine to use and you don't big fuckin deal. Grow up man.

[QUOTE=Qproject;38617]like I said, if a piece of dog sh*t had the label junction produce then you'd be all over it.[/QUOTE]


hey man I think your a little over the line here, once was bad, twice is un called for and hard to tolerate. Please for the sake of everyone else can you guys take this pm or not at all?

D.

I thought it was pretty funny .  

:)

he'd  be all over it like flies on (you know what) .  haha


[QUOTE=dvp;38619]hey man I think your a little over the line here, once was bad, twice is un called for and hard to tolerate. Please for the sake of everyone else can you guys take this pm or not at all?

D.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Qproject;38620]I thought it was pretty funny .  

:)

he'd  be all over it like flies on (you know what) .  haha[/QUOTE]
-) 
lame but slightly funny cmon guys lets let this die down and spend our energy some place better.  Like are there any low cost wheels that belong on a VIP car?

what happened to your carlssons ?

those were super dope. did u sell em ?

[QUOTE=dvp;38621]-) 
lame but slightly funny cmon guys lets let this die down and spend our energy some place better.  Like are there any low cost wheels that belong on a VIP car?[/QUOTE]

I am about to sell them, because I should be getting a new job on tuesday so later in the year in can buy some Leon Hardritts!!!  Now im deciding on Waffes or Ordens.  What do you guys think I should go with of the two? 


D.

[QUOTE=Qproject;38620]I thought it was pretty funny .  

:)

he'd  be all over it like flies on (you know what) .  haha[/QUOTE]

It'd be funnier if it were even remotely true. What's funny is how mad you get.

I dunno man, those carlsson's were super duper dope.

Just machine finish the face and your golden. I've seen a few F50's with Carlsson's in VIPCAR and it looks friggin dope. 

Your carlsson's are highly sought after in Japan and considered super high end and more prestigious over Work-AME-etc.

[QUOTE=dvp;38623]I am about to sell them, because I should be getting a new job on tuesday so later in the year in can buy some Leon Hardritts!!!  Now im deciding on Waffes or Ordens.  What do you guys think I should go with of the two? 


D.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Qproject;38626]I dunno man, those carlsson's were super duper dope.

Just machine finish the face and your golden. I've seen a few F50's with Carlsson's in VIPCAR and it looks friggin dope. 

Your carlsson's are highly sought after in Japan and considered super high end and more prestigious over Work-AME-etc.[/QUOTE]

I agree the problem is that I want more lip.  And with the Carlssons I would have to get them redrilled, refinished, and get new barrels to have the lip i want etc. So major money for used wheels.  But if i cant sell them I may use them as my daily drivers with just a redrill and a refinish, but I would also need to run spacers and long wheels studs etc.  alot of trouble, also I need to ship them out of Houston because no one here wants to do the work.

D.

no you don't need to re-drill.

use a spacer adapter, it will convert your bolt pattern and if you go 25mm thick then you won't need to worry about longer bolt studs.  You can get em for 120 bucks plug and play.

masaya's y33 q45 is absolutely sick and no staggered lip. 

[QUOTE=dvp;38628]I agree the problem is that I want more lip.  And with the Carlssons I would have to get them redrilled, refinished, and get new barrels to have the lip i want etc. So major money for used wheels.  But if i cant sell them I may use them as my daily drivers with just a redrill and a refinish, but I would also need to run spacers and long wheels studs etc.  alot of trouble, also I need to ship them out of Houston because no one here wants to do the work.

D.[/QUOTE]

OK...I just skimmed through all the posts that I have allready read and the new ones...most of the arguing is in fact coming from noobs with less than 30 posts who are trying to school us on how to be Vip because they've read about it on Import Tuner or Rides (whatever magazines did stories on Vip). This is exactly the reason why forums such as zip-tied have an initiation process where you have to be invited in order to join the forum. I don't understand why we can't have a similar system here.

Now back to the topic...there are many advantages of going with brand name...jzz has mentioned a few allready. The advantages of going with an original kit over a knockoff are pretty clear as well: it fits better. I have had a knockoff myself once, and many of my frieds do today. But here's the thing...many people here don't like to have 1" gaps betweeen their headlights and the bumper...thus we have to go with companies that are known for high quality and excellent fit.

I will admit that I am a bit of a brand name whore. Yeah I shop at a&f once in a while and prefer 7's over levis or unionbays. Why? Not because I can tell my friends I have 7 jeans, but because they outlast unionbays, they look 100 times better, and they feel great as well. If I can find a company that makes identical jean for a lot less I would get them in a heart beat. Same goes for car parts as well. I don't want to take a chance and purchase a kit for 1K thats a knockoff just to find out that I have to spend another 1k to make it fit like OEM. Nor do I want to buy Axis wheels now hoping that they last for a long time or that their 19x10 wheel with unknown offset fits my car. I just don't want to take that chance...I'd rather buy the wheels that will fit the way I want them to, and buy a kit from reputable company and spend very little time on fitting it to the car. See where I'm going with this?

Most of the people on this board (at least the seniors) are a more mature crowd who are ready for a big boy car and ready to accept the Vip style and the consequences of going with it. But right now we are getting a flood of younger kids who have "who cares what brand they are...they're 20's!" mentality, yet they are trying to hang with more mature crowd who asks "what brand are those 20's, what's the offset?" and who are not afraid of speaking their mind and sometimes say "those 20's look like shit". I am not saying we are better than everyone else, but I am saying that a lot of new people on this board are NOT ready for Vip car. Learn about the style and see if you can hang with it...if not, wait a few more years and do it then, but do it right.

[QUOTE=Qproject;38630]no you don't need to re-drill.

use a spacer adapter, it will convert your bolt pattern and if you go 25mm thick then you won't need to worry about longer bolt studs.  You can get em for 120 bucks plug and play.

masaya's y33 q45 is absolutely sick and no staggered lip.[/QUOTE]

I know, his wheels have the same specs as mine.  But he had to redrill so he could run spacers to push the wheels closer to the fender. 

D.

he re-drilled to get the right bolt pattern.

he used spacers to get it out.

but what I'm saying is, you can use spacer adapter and it will change the bolt pattern and get u closer to fender without having to re-drill the wheel. 


u don't need to re-drill the wheels.

there's a shop in los angeles that will machine finish a wheel for 75 bucks a piece.

just a fyi because there's is so much potential with a 20" carlsson 2/6.





[QUOTE=dvp;38634]I know, his wheels have the same specs as mine.  But he had to redrill so he could run spacers to push the wheels closer to the fender. 

D.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Qproject;38636]he re-drilled to get the right bolt pattern.

he used spacers to get it out.

but what I'm saying is, you can use spacer adapter and it will change the bolt pattern and get u closer to fender without having to re-drill the wheel. 


u don't need to re-drill the wheels.

there's a shop in los angeles that will machine finish a wheel for 75 bucks a piece.

just a fyi because there's is so much potential with a 20" carlsson 2/6.[/QUOTE]


i feel you man thats why i picked them up, but i was under the impression it was hard to get bolt changing spacers that were thick as the bolt changing system gets in the way?

D.

if you need less than 25mm (or 1 inch) then you will need to make sure your wheel back pad look like this :

[url]http://www.driftingperformance.com/images/products/ebaypic/15ws_indicator.jpg[/url]

if you need more than 25mm (1 inch) then it doesn't matter.




[QUOTE=dvp;38638]i feel you man thats why i picked them up, but i was under the impression it was hard to get bolt changing spacers that were thick as the bolt changing system gets in the way?

D.[/QUOTE]

I may go with the Carlssons for my dailys if the sale doesnt pan out.  But I think that Leon Hardritt wheels have better build quality. What do you think of that?

D.

IMO they are both prestigious, quality wheels. 

the 2/6 is a beautiful wheel,.20", 2 piece, machine polish, a proper aggressive stance with spacers, a wald (or similar) lip kit and a proper drop will look SICK SICK SICK.

the carlsson 2/6 is NO joke and very sought after  among VIP enthusiasts in Japan.

just look at masaya's car, IMO that is the best Y33 I have seen to come out of the united states.




[QUOTE=dvp;38644]I may go with the Carlssons for my dailys if the sale doesnt pan out.  But I think that Leon Hardritt wheels have better build quality. What do you think of that?

D.[/QUOTE]

in fact how much are u selling your carlssons for ?

[QUOTE=Gseventhree;38526]Somewhat agreed..   

But thats where it ends.. because.. VIP isnt any better or worse than any other form of modifying. .ITS JUST A DIFFERENT PLATFORM..or STYLE. ..  Why stop at those things you listed.. id be impressed at a VIP car that had a fully done motor. . a 6 speed 1000hp celsior that was properly built and the engine bay was as clean and simple as the interior that had a set of bride CUGA's that were recovered in suede along with eveything else in the interior, and Burnt Titanium interior trim. .... THAT goes beyond your criteria. . Maybe you guys dont think thats important. . But as a car guy. . I do. . so what if you have X kit and Y wheels. and your car cannot possibly be any lower because it sits on the ground.. . did you build it. ?  Or did you choose parts out of a catalog and bolt them on?. .Does it reflect [B]your[/B] style, or the [B]last magazine [/B]you looked at. .. Its a coolness thing..  like [B]maybe[/B] even if you picked parts out of a catalog and put them together in a new, refreshing and stylish manner.. It might jsut be impressive.. But id be more impressed if you could ACTUALLY get the car to sit on the ground.. . [B]cuz you cant[/B]. . and practically drive it. . There is something not been done yet. . What for. .? cuz it hasn't been done yet. . and when you roll up to the show and dump your ride. .your Diana kit will be sealed to the floor . . .and thats just one example. .

I think VIP enthusiasts have to stop being so closed minded and thinking that eveything has to be this or that. .or else its not VIP. .  There is no VIP bible. . and Stop copying Japan. . use them as ideas to execute something that is your own.. . Granted it has to have certain qualities, and a certain look, and style. . But It still is a style.. just like hot rodding, 700hp street hondas, dubbed out trucks, racecars.. etc.. you [B]STILL[/B] have to push the envelope of any style that you are into.. .



G.[/QUOTE]

I like how you basically restated what I said and reinforced my convictions. Again, all of the above (executed well are bad ass) are accents to a VIP car, not necessities.

[QUOTE=Qproject;38646]in fact how much are u selling your carlssons for ?[/QUOTE]

haha you want to buy them after you practicly convinced me to buy them lol =). pm sent. 

D.

for me, alot of the most eye-catching cars in VIPYCAR and VIPstyle magazine are the really understated cars that usually sport european wheels like OZ-Carlsson-Brabus with subtle bodykit and airbags. 

but at the end of the day it all comes down to what you like.

 



[QUOTE=dvp;38692]haha you want to buy them after you practicly convinced me to buy them lol =). pm sent. 

D.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Qproject;38697]for me, alot of the most eye-catching cars in VIPYCAR and VIPstyle magazine are the really understated cars that usually sport european wheels like OZ-Carlsson-Brabus with subtle bodykit and airbags. 

but at the end of the day it all comes down to what you like.[/QUOTE]

Its the same for me both ways, i love the high end EXE look cars, and the hardcore cars like Garage Magical with the awesome lip and body drop. 

D.

This thread has turned absolutely rediculous.  From the wise words of the moderator (Can be seen in the sticky of the Infiniti/Nissan forum):

[I]VIPStyle     Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,338  
 
 Please be respectful of yourself and others members on this forum 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I understand how diverse our views are on VIP styling for our cars as in what is VIP?* What style is it?* what parameters are involved?

I know that some people here are very stern on their views of what VIP Styling should be, however for everyone, please do not make it personal over style, opinion, and what not.* We have a lot of members that are here to learn and we need to accept them and show them how RESPECTABLE we can be towards each other.

Some people may feel that certain cars listed here do not belong on these forums but I feel that the VIP style can creep to other venues of automobiles.* I do not want to discriminate over car owners, everyone is welcome here whether you drive a Lexus, Honda, Toyota, Scion, BMW, or Benz, this is an open community as well as a great learning experience.

So please, be respectful of one another.* If he doesn't like a certain idea or maybe crazy offsetted wheels? don't bash the poster, just state your opinion respectfully and nicely.* Now if someone posts against your opinion or car, don't go ballistic on them and say "I PWN YOUR MOM! CAUSE IM 1337!!!"* (ok online gaming talk lol).* Take it with a grain of salt, we can't change others opinions but we can share our own respectfully [/I]

[QUOTE=dvp;38621]-) 
lame but slightly funny cmon guys lets let this die down and spend our energy some place better.  Like are there any low cost wheels that belong on a VIP car?[/QUOTE]

Now that's a great topic!  Maybe I should start a new thread?

[QUOTE=Dark Anghell;38633]OK...I just skimmed through all the posts that I have allready read and the new ones...most of the arguing is in fact coming from noobs with less than 30 posts who are trying to school us on how to be Vip because they've read about it on Import Tuner or Rides (whatever magazines did stories on Vip). This is exactly the reason why forums such as zip-tied have an initiation process where you have to be invited in order to join the forum. I don't understand why we can't have a similar system here.

Now back to the topic...there are many advantages of going with brand name...jzz has mentioned a few allready. The advantages of going with an original kit over a knockoff are pretty clear as well: it fits better. I have had a knockoff myself once, and many of my frieds do today. But here's the thing...many people here don't like to have 1" gaps betweeen their headlights and the bumper...thus we have to go with companies that are known for high quality and excellent fit.

I will admit that I am a bit of a brand name whore. Yeah I shop at a&f once in a while and prefer 7's over levis or unionbays. Why? Not because I can tell my friends I have 7 jeans, but because they outlast unionbays, they look 100 times better, and they feel great as well. If I can find a company that makes identical jean for a lot less I would get them in a heart beat. Same goes for car parts as well. I don't want to take a chance and purchase a kit for 1K thats a knockoff just to find out that I have to spend another 1k to make it fit like OEM. Nor do I want to buy Axis wheels now hoping that they last for a long time or that their 19x10 wheel with unknown offset fits my car. I just don't want to take that chance...I'd rather buy the wheels that will fit the way I want them to, and buy a kit from reputable company and spend very little time on fitting it to the car. See where I'm going with this?

Most of the people on this board (at least the seniors) are a more mature crowd who are ready for a big boy car and ready to accept the Vip style and the consequences of going with it. But right now we are getting a flood of younger kids who have "who cares what brand they are...they're 20's!" mentality, yet they are trying to hang with more mature crowd who asks "what brand are those 20's, what's the offset?" and who are not afraid of speaking their mind and sometimes say "those 20's look like shit". I am not saying we are better than everyone else, but I am saying that a lot of new people on this board are NOT ready for Vip car. Learn about the style and see if you can hang with it...if not, wait a few more years and do it then, but do it right.[/QUOTE]

First off, I may be a noob to this site with less than 30 posts and what not but, I am far from 20.  I'm probably older than most of the similac users in this forum.  I post here for a little direction form the veterans so I could never come on this forum and try to "school" anyone.  I give my opinion and leave it at that.  The funny thing is, that nobody has given me any useable information on this thread.  Why are we even talking about Axis anyway?  This brand is not directed toward the full size luxury vehicle anyway (and I got this from the sales rep).  But lets talk about VIP.  Why do scion owners post here?  Is scion a VIP platform?

[QUOTE=Qproject;38697]blah blah blah I'm a fucking cockhat mutherfucker who repeats 4 yr old namecalling and 5th grade insults 24564684654654 times and has NO IDEA what the fuck I'm talking about.  I suck Axis' balls and any other "non-brand name" for the simple fact that I don't want to be a "brand name whore"  blah blah blah[/QUOTE]

QUOTED FOR FUCKING TRUTH!

[QUOTE=VIPGS3;38936]First off, I may be a noob to this site with less than 30 posts and what not but, I am far from 20.  I'm probably older than most of the similac users in this forum.  I post here for a little direction form the veterans so I could never come on this forum and try to "school" anyone.  I give my opinion and leave it at that.  The funny thing is, that nobody has given me any useable information on this thread.  Why are we even talking about Axis anyway?  This brand is not directed toward the full size luxury vehicle anyway (and I got this from the sales rep).  But lets talk about VIP.  Why do scion owners post here?  Is scion a VIP platform?[/QUOTE]

OH I was not directing my post toward you specifically. I am talking about kids who are not ready for the style and what's involved in it. Some of them are, and they are prepared to spend the money to make it right. But there are others who get into Vip, just to find out that everything is out of their budget and end up cutting corners by installing parts that are not true to the style and claiming that their car is Vip. Or even worst, when they take allready a non-Vip platform and claim that their car is Vip because they have dish wheels on their 240.

There was a huge debate whether minivans are Vip and they are definately a big part of Vip culture. Are they true Vip cars or are they Vip styled? I don't think that issue was ever resolved. But there are Vip magazines devoted only to minivans. The xB fits into that category, and the xA fits into the K-car category.

The reason why so many people are upset over the whole Axis wheels issue was because the car was posted on a Vip car forum in the section that is pretty much devoted to Vip cars, we have pictures section and off topic sections for posting things that are not really Vip. I think all of us agree that this F50 is not Vip at all (the chassis is, but the rest of it is not), this car is just a bigger version of a sport compact. There have been a number of other posts where people claimed their car to be Vip and it wasn't even remotely close. This thread got the worst of it...

As far as getting any help...unless we change many things around here, you won't be getting much in that department. I know that many knowledgeable people no longer post here for one simple reason...noobs don't listen. Many posts get out of control because people don't like to be told that they are wrong. Half a year ago, we would only get one or two of those people and sooner or later they realised that even though our advice/critique is harsh, it is there to provide direction. Fast forward to today, and we're getting tonns of people disrespecting us, flaming things, and overall showing no courtesy to others...I have seen people post the following for their first comment "that shit is ugly!". Now that is not constuctive, and disrespectful. So older members who have been here for years no longer post here because theres no point...a lot of (not all) noobs don't listen.

Hey guys I apologize for beiing so crazy nuts. 

we should all cooperate and enjoy this VIP style hobby of ours.

Peace

look at the bright side, at least the f50 wasn't sporting these:

YIKES !!!

[img]http://images.superbuytires.com/images/wheels/OmegaSeductive.JPG[/img]

YIKES !!!!

SWEET!

haha.

[QUOTE=Dark Anghell;38941]OH I was not directing my post toward you specifically. I am talking about kids who are not ready for the style and what's involved in it. Some of them are, and they are prepared to spend the money to make it right. But there are others who get into Vip, just to find out that everything is out of their budget and end up cutting corners by installing parts that are not true to the style and claiming that their car is Vip. Or even worst, when they take allready a non-Vip platform and claim that their car is Vip because they have dish wheels on their 240.

There was a huge debate whether minivans are Vip and they are definately a big part of Vip culture. Are they true Vip cars or are they Vip styled? I don't think that issue was ever resolved. But there are Vip magazines devoted only to minivans. The xB fits into that category, and the xA fits into the K-car category.

The reason why so many people are upset over the whole Axis wheels issue was because the car was posted on a Vip car forum in the section that is pretty much devoted to Vip cars, we have pictures section and off topic sections for posting things that are not really Vip. I think all of us agree that this F50 is not Vip at all (the chassis is, but the rest of it is not), this car is just a bigger version of a sport compact. There have been a number of other posts where people claimed their car to be Vip and it wasn't even remotely close. This thread got the worst of it...

As far as getting any help...unless we change many things around here, you won't be getting much in that department. I know that many knowledgeable people no longer post here for one simple reason...noobs don't listen. Many posts get out of control because people don't like to be told that they are wrong. Half a year ago, we would only get one or two of those people and sooner or later they realised that even though our advice/critique is harsh, it is there to provide direction. Fast forward to today, and we're getting tonns of people disrespecting us, flaming things, and overall showing no courtesy to others...I have seen people post the following for their first comment "that shit is ugly!". Now that is not constuctive, and disrespectful. So older members who have been here for years no longer post here because theres no point...a lot of (not all) noobs don't listen.[/QUOTE]

I know it's been like a week but, thank you for that.  I feel much better about posting here now.

These wheels are not that bad.   Looks like good quality.   What's so bad about Axis?   In the beginning of the company they made alot of knock offs but this seems to be their own design.  Even their other rims are unique looking and nice.   Axis isn't a name brand?  Just because if a rim is made in Japan doesn't mean it's a name brand.   Some rims in Japan aren't even made in japan...They're made elsewhere.  Just like how JIC is made in Korea but people associate it as made in japan.

[QUOTE=Blitz;39902]These wheels are not that bad.   Looks like good quality.   What's so bad about Axis?   In the beginning of the company they made alot of knock offs but this seems to be their own design.  Even their other rims are unique looking and nice.   Axis isn't a name brand?  Just because if a rim is made in Japan doesn't mean it's a name brand.   Some rims in Japan aren't even made in japan...They're made elsewhere.  Just like how JIC is made in Korea but people associate it as made in japan.[/QUOTE]

Probably a huge misconception is going on; it doesn't really matter where a product is manufactured. There are still quality tests, and premanufacturing specifications from product engineers which need to be met per product release. 

Knockoff/Counterfeit or low end products can sell at a low end cost because they cut corners during the production phase- which alleviates any misc. costs. Therefore the cheaper things are made, the cheaper things are sold (understood). Most people don't get what is involved to develop/R&D and producing quality aftermarket automotive products vs. taking an existing product and copying it, sacrificing key quality materials and selling dirt cheap.

I'm not speaking as if Axis does that with their products (that's not my point). I just wanted to bring this topic in general.

Therefore, it doesn't really matter where a product is made. There's some quality stuff everywhere (China/Korea included). It's when the manufacturers cut production costs - That’s when the product suffers.

How much are these anyways?

probably around $300 per wheel...maybe $400. Sounds like it's a lot, but if you compare that to $800-1200 per wheel from reputable companies...Axis wheels are dirt cheap.

If i were to comment on his Q  or respond to some people's posts i'd get in trouble.

[QUOTE=JPCima;40534]If i were to comment on his Q  or respond to some people's posts i'd get in trouble.[/QUOTE]

I want to hear this....send me a PM

i am confused with the last two posts?

[QUOTE=kyeguy82;40891]i am confused with the last two posts?[/QUOTE]

me 3

Wheels make or break a car.  IF you sit a F50 with axis wheels side by side with one with a quality wheel like Auto Couture, you will know which screams out quality/$$.  Plain and simple, you pay to play.  There are no cutting corners in VIP thats why alot of people are getting their feelings hurt.

Funny thing is that most of the VIP trolls here would jump up and down if Axis gav ethem the car in a sweepstakes or something.Secondly I have a strange feeling that the USA forum guys here arent of Japanese descent..guess if we are gonna be a specific why not go all the way!!New rules if you are not from Japan you can never be VIP!!See how that sounds??Kinda silly so lets just enjoy the cars!!

[QUOTE=BigMone;43711]Funny thing is that most of the VIP trolls here would jump up and down if Axis gav ethem the car in a sweepstakes or something.Secondly I have a strange feeling that the USA forum guys here arent of Japanese descent..guess if we are gonna be a specific why not go all the way!!New rules if you are not from Japan you can never be VIP!!See how that sounds??Kinda silly so lets just enjoy the cars!![/QUOTE]

Dude...so what if I'm white? Maybe we should also band noobs who know nothing about VIP? Guess you don't belong here either...you know...with the new rules and all. So come on this argument can go both ways. 

If Axis gave me a car, I would in fact jump up and down...I would take that car, drive it down the street to the nearest dealership, sell that POS and put the money towards my Q. Unless they gave me a Ferrari or something, then I would sell the POS wheels and put stock ones back on...at least those will be of original design and better quality.

I don't understand...if you think we are all trolls on this site, and you are posting on this forum...what does that make you? Don't like it here, get the f*** out...as simple as that. There are plenty of other forums who love any car you post...people here will tell you if they think a certain car is a POS...so either get used to it or find another place.

I'm done with this place...(yet another member lost due to dumbasses having free access to this forum)

[QUOTE=BigMone;43711]Funny thing is that most of the VIP trolls here would jump up and down if Axis gav ethem the car in a sweepstakes or something.Secondly I have a strange feeling that the USA forum guys here arent of Japanese descent..guess if we are gonna be a specific why not go all the way!!New rules if you are not from Japan you can never be VIP!!See how that sounds??Kinda silly so lets just enjoy the cars!![/QUOTE]

I would be jumping up and down with joy!
I would sell it and buy a 240SX [i]and[/i] finish my Protege, it would be awesome.Thanks- (arigatou) 

There's nothing silly about saying a car isn't Vip when it's not Vip.

Lol at the senseless negative posting..I never even said anything along the lines of what you guys are smoking.I didnt call you a troll but it seems you feel like u are one.It just seems that for a lot of guys here they have never been across the water but they wanna act like experts and put others down, which is not the purpose of this site.I have been to Japan but I dont puff out my chest.You throw out banning a new member, WOW, for what??Tell guys to relax a bit?For the record,VIP is where its at but if members here cant be adults why bother?The movement will go on..

[QUOTE=Dark Anghell;43715]Don't like it here, get the f*** out...as simple as that. [/QUOTE]
I agree.

Dark Anghell please dont go, I for one would like to see the direction your car takes and it would totally suck to not see any more progress. From one white guy to another just stick it out bro, leaving proves nothing.

[QUOTE=BigMone;43726]Lol at the senseless negative posting..I never even said anything along the lines of what you guys are smoking.

I didnt call you a troll but it seems you feel like u are one.

It just seems that for a lot of guys here they have never been across the water but they wanna act like experts and put others down, which is not the purpose of this site.

I have been to Japan but I dont puff out my chest.You throw out banning a new member, WOW, for what??Tell guys to relax a bit?For the record,VIP is where its at but if members here cant be adults why bother?The movement will go on..[/QUOTE]

Please stop while your ahead, This thread got out of control and we don't need anyone else to start up an argument. You can Lol at all the negative posting you want but your not helping your contributing.

Can't we all just get along? :-)

VIP is becoming a cult

[QUOTE=BigMone;43711]Funny thing is that most of the VIP trolls here would jump up and down if Axis gav ethem the car in a sweepstakes or something.Secondly I have a strange feeling that the USA forum guys here arent of Japanese descent..guess if we are gonna be a specific why not go all the way!!New rules if you are not from Japan you can never be VIP!!See how that sounds??Kinda silly so lets just enjoy the cars!![/QUOTE]

For the record i would not jump up an down if Axis gave me that car......i would jump up and down when i sold it.

[QUOTE=BigMone;43726]It just seems that for a lot of guys here they have never been across the water but they wanna act like experts and put others down, which is not the purpose of this site.[/QUOTE]
You don't need to have been to Japan to know Vip when you see it. In fact, that is the purpose of this site - to inform people who have not had the privilege of going to Japan and seeing it first hand. A lot of people on this site I [I]would[/I] call experts.

I guess its hard to explain words when posting somtimes.I really like this site and this movement.Its just some people come across too hard at times.I apologize for any misconceptions..