Bags for a 00' LS400

Im posting this up for a buddy, 


He has a 2000 Ls400 and we are trying to get some more info on what company's to look into for his hydro suspension set up, and how much should he looking to spend to get his LS on bags.


Thanks in advance.

hydros???? really?? just go airrunner

[QUOTE=antbo;44185]hydros???? really?? just go airrunner[/QUOTE]



Can u school me on the differ? price differences..etc etc.

Im guessing hydro runs on hydro and airrunners run on air? lol, but still whats the difference as in price and company to look into.


Thanks.

well, hydraulics is more of a type on suspension while Airrunners are a brand name of air cylinder suspension... 

I say give Universal Air a call and ask them what they can do... cheaper than Airrunner and most seem to really like their products and service.

air runner actually uses bags not cylinders.  if you want something that has more ease of install go with the air runner.  also it's easier to get a comfy ride w/ air vs hydro.

air runners how much those run for?

Also these run with the current suspension thats on the car ..or does everything come with it like the shock/springs.

oh I thought Airrunner used air cylinders, eh, doesn't matter. for the price of them I'd rather piece together something else.

by the time you piece all the products you need for an airsus you might as well have just gone with the airrunner....it'll be about the same price!

yeah, but by piecing everything together you can get exactly what you want!

and the UAS kit is something around 2100-2300 out the door... no where close to the 4K+ of Airrunners.

[quote=gmckey;44211]yeah, but by piecing everything together you can get exactly what you want!
 
and the UAS kit is something around 2100-2300 out the door... no where close to the 4K+ of Airrunners.[/quote]
 
Universal Air can go low if you have an aftermarket strut. Though most applications if you use the stock strut, you'll be limited to how far it goes. Just curious, what suspension are you running?
 
 
Air Runners = bolt on air strut (assembled) NOT CYLINDERS... :p
 
It all comes down to your preference. Both are great systems but I chose AIR RUNNER!!! I love the ride quality on the Previa. :smiley: 
 
[B]cr00klyn718[/B], visit both websites.
 
[URL="http://www.airrunner.co.jp"]www.airrunner.co.jp[/URL]
[URL="http://www.universalairsuspension.com"]www.universalairsuspension.com[/URL]
 
[URL="http://www.vipstylecars.com/forums/showthread.php?p=42293"][/URL]

Thanks for the great info. 


It's not my car. It's stock though.

[QUOTE=gmckey;44211]yeah, but by piecing everything together you can get exactly what you want!

and the UAS kit is something around 2100-2300 out the door... no where close to the 4K+ of Airrunners.[/QUOTE]

2100-2300 just for the bags! still gotta get different struts, tank, compressor, gauges, switches, lines....and do you get a warranty? 

strut goes out on an airrunner they revalve it for you....on other peoples setups i see them running JIC then UAS man right there is 4 grand!


yah thats why i went airrunner also!

Off UniversalAirSuspension.com:

Item Description 
 
Track tested, Show Stopper Air Suspension Kit! Dont settle for less! Check out our Gallery. 

F.B.S.S. SYSTEM INCLUDE 

2 VIAIR 480C, 200 PSI, 100% DUTY CYCLE 
1 200 PSI PRESSURE SWITCH 
1 CHROME SWITCH BOX (Hand Held 9 Switch) 
8 "Blow Proof" 1/2" AIR SOLENOID VALVE 
4 UNIVERSAL AIR SUSPENSION AERO SPORT 9" 
1 D.O.T. APPROVED FITTING & HOSES FOR F.B.S.S 
1 POLISHED STAINLESS 5 GAL TANK (NO RUST!) 
1 SET OF BRACKET KIT DESIGNED FOR YOUR CAR 
1 HEAVY DUTY SOLENOID 
1 BOLT PACK 
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$2300.00

... still think it's about the same in the end?

so where does it say LS400?
 
next what you gonna say GS and LS are the same????
 
"Has been tested on HKS Coilovers and Stock Struts. Please call if your application varies "
 
from universalairsuspension.com
 
Complete Air Suspension Kit for Lexus GS/IS/SC
[10-Lexus]
 
 
F.B.S.S. SYSTEM INCLUDE
 
2 VIAIR 480C, 200 PSI, 100% DUTY CYCLE
1 200 PSI PRESSURE SWITCH
1 CHROME SWITCH BOX (Hand Held 9 Switch)
8 "Blow Proof" 1/2" AIR SOLENOID VALVE
4 UNIVERSAL AIR SUSPENSION AERO SPORT 9"
1 D.O.T. APPROVED FITTING & HOSES FOR F.B.S.S
1 POLISHED STAINLESS 5 GAL TANK (NO RUST!)
1 SET OF BRACKET KIT DESIGNED FOR YOUR CAR
1 HEAVY DUTY SOLENOID
1 BOLT PACK
US PATENT US 6457702

the ls400 uses the same airbag as those applications..do u have problems with universal air or anything?? there's nothing wrong with air runner..just for guys who want something more custom, and dont mind the extra headache of piecing everything together, universal air is better..i'd say air runner is reliable, a great product, and very convenient...i myself, will probably go with universal alr being that i have experience with air suspension and dont mind the extra work involved

There is nothing wrong with Universal Air. There is even a groupbuy if anyone is interested by PG Motoring USA. Check it out.
 
[B]Universal Air Suspension GROUPBUY[/B]
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[QUOTE=kazuo459;44262]the ls400 uses the same airbag as those applications..do u have problems with universal air or anything?? there's nothing wrong with air runner..just for guys who want something more custom, and dont mind the extra headache of piecing everything together, universal air is better..i'd say air runner is reliable, a great product, and very convenient...i myself, will probably go with universal alr being that i have experience with air suspension and dont mind the extra work involved[/QUOTE]

thank you and i know its the same bag...just like airrunner uses the same bags on different applications...i dont hate universal air! just trying to get gmackey on the right trail...he kept saying their is universal air for the LS for 2300...you go on the site their is no application for the LS4...thats all I am saying, and unless you got ties with universal air...you cant buy their bags seperately

[QUOTE=xbizzle;44269]thank you and i know its the same bag...just like airrunner uses the same bags on different applications...i dont hate universal air! just trying to get gmckey on the right trail...he kept saying their is universal air for the LS for 2300...you go on the site their is no application for the LS4...thats all I am saying, and unless you got ties with universal air...you cant buy their bags seperately[/QUOTE]

Aaron aka EndlessNA1 got a setup through Universal Air for ~21-2300... he used JIC struts and from what I guess, it pretty much was all bolt on from there. 

[b]So while they may not list a specific LS application, the bags are pretty much universal so they have a kit for the LS for the price I mentioned.[/b]

What are you trying to say?

There's nothing wrong with using Universal Air's system, but however for the LS the clearance on the rear bag is very tight, if not installed properly it will rub the inner wheel well and eventually the bag will "pop" i've driven and worked on quite a few cars with the Universal Air set up and in my opinion unless you have slow downs the kit takes the luxury out of our cars. But if you wanna save a couple bucks here and there then go for it. I myself prefer Airrunner. My .02 cents. :p

[QUOTE=gmckey;44348]Aaron aka EndlessNA1 got a setup through Universal Air for ~21-2300... he used JIC struts and from what I guess, it pretty much was all bolt on from there. 

[b]So while they may not list a specific LS application, the bags are pretty much universal so they have a kit for the LS for the price I mentioned.[/b]

What are you trying to say?[/QUOTE]

hey wuteva you wanna do thats fine you just kept saying your gonna do bags for under 4 grand...just do it...go see how much JIC are also...good luck with your endeavors

[QUOTE=Big Steve;44365]There's nothing wrong with using Universal Air's system, but however for the LS the clearance on the rear bag is very tight, if not installed properly it will rub the inner wheel well and eventually the bag will "pop"[/QUOTE]

Hey steve, on the tight clearance. Is this on all LS yrs or just a particular yr u speaking of?

[QUOTE=cr00klyn718;44369]Hey steve, on the tight clearance. Is this on all LS yrs or just a particular yr u speaking of?[/QUOTE]

all years. its becuz the LS bag is mounted higher therefore sits closer against the body, its avoided with the airruner system becuz of the bag they use. with the universal air bag its a bit thicker becuz its a sleeve bag. which is why they only listed those Lexus' on their site, becuz those bags are mounted lower on the shock assembly.

How much does the airrunner system go for? Also from the look of it does the airrunner kit use it's own shock.struts ?

[QUOTE=cr00klyn718;44380]How much does the airrunner system go for? Also from the look of it does the airrunner kit use it's own shock.struts ?[/QUOTE]

Airrunner is a sleeve bag and is a complete unit built into 1 with adjustable dampening. As for pricing, i believe some of our vendors on VSC can price you. 

[IMG]http://airrunner.co.jp/pic/complete-1.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=cr00klyn718;44380]How much does the airrunner system go for? Also from the look of it does the airrunner kit use it's own shock.struts ?[/QUOTE]

that's correct air runner does come w/ replacement shocks/struts.  on the universal air setup you have to trim down the spring perch on the shock/strut for the bag to sit properly and to clear any obstructions for the air lines.  most of the time people will use their stock shock/strut which can be a bad thing if you wanted to go back to stock.  plus by using your stock stuff limits how low you can drop cause the shaft will bottom out before the bag is fully deflated on some cars.  yes you can save money buy going the universal air route but i wouldn't reccomend it if you have no previous air suspension experience.  overall both are good systems and good luck with your project whether you go the air runner or universal air route.

Just to add a bit to this as i am not experianced in the air suspension buisness.

easy street will be making a kit in a few months that is a complete bolt on and should out preform the air runner ones . It will take some time for R&D to make sure they can get it to drive beutifully as well as lower nicely too. The air runner is a nice system but the shocks/bags are the best part as everything else is just good enough for speed and ride quality. What easy street is trying to do is add a system with a large enough tank and compressor as well as the largest line possible for quick inflate times. It will also be fuly digital with a sensor to tell you which bag has a loss of pressure and will activate the pump and keep that corner at ride height until you pull over incase of pressure drops from leaks or bag rupture. What is even better is no welding like other universal systems and a price tag under $3000 for everything.
If you could buy just the air runner shocks it would make a great system.

Otherwise the cheapest way to go is get arnott industiries rebuilt shocks and install your own system for under $2000

[QUOTE=xbizzle;44367]hey wuteva you wanna do thats fine you just kept saying your gonna do bags for under 4 grand...just do it...go see how much JIC are also...good luck with your endeavors[/QUOTE]

i got full UAS setup, 2 gauges, 4 brand new kyb shocks, brand new aftermarket bushings, a lateral bar and everything installed with a warrenty for just shy under $3600.