What to do when inner sidewall has a bump?

I just bought these tires and already I hit something hard enough to put a bump in my inner sidewall, luckily not bending the lip. I can still drive on it, but now the steering wheel vibrates around 60mph. Is this tire done for? Could the wheel/tire be rebalanced to eliminate the vibration? I'd hate to replace this tire, I've only driven on it for about 500 miles now. I'm pretty good at dodging holes, but I think what may have got me was this road that had a pretty rough transition from when it was milled to where they began the new pavement. This sucks balls.
 
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u cant repair sidewall damage....replace :(

I have heard many stories about this. Seems like stretched tires and camber = tire problems. I notice I have a little bump on my rear right tire..but I still drive with it cause I am not about to go spend money on a new tire just yet...You could have the tire unmounted and look inside and see if the tire is ok. If so put back on and have the wheel rebalanced. or Flip the tires..Something I did not think of when adding camber was that the inside barrel of the wheel and the sidewall of the tire will be much closer to the ground amking it more seseptable to road problems..*(

[quote=DriftGirl;82833]u cant repair sidewall damage....replace :([/quote]Damnit, that's what I was thinking, but I was hoping there was a workaround until the tread can somewhat show wear. :sad:

It happened on one of my front tires on my old Works, and it spread pretty bad to about half of the whole inne rsidewall had a buldge. I didn't complain because that tire was almost done with its treadwear, but this is ridiculous being that its still practically new. I guess once the belts break, that's it.

New tire dude...

The reason for the vibration is because of the camber you have. You are somewhat(even if very slightly) riding on the sidewall just a bit and this bubble is causing the tire to jump a bit. You will have to either mount the inside to the outside or replace it.
Cheers

the sorry things is its going to keep happening over and over and over because your riding on sidewall..When they say you gots to pay to play they wernt kidding:pat: .....good luck bro I have the same issue and dont know what to do about it besides by the cheapest tires I can find..YOu and I both cant pull camber back out becuase then the wheels wont fit so the alternative is a wide body kit or fender flares..I am thinking about buying the insurance fender flares and taking out camber so I wont have this problem anymore. Only $399 and that would solve my quarter panel issue as well...Peace

how bad did the hit feel ?

did it feel like your struts bottomed out ? It doesn't seem to be a hard enough hit because your rims didn't get affected by it.

you may end up constantly replacing your tires as this may be a frequent occurrence.

VIP aint cheap...thats for sure.  maybe i should stick w/ performance.

WOW!
BENJI, you got me a little scurd to check my tires!!! :pat:

anyone running camber should check there tires immeadiatly. better safe than sorry.

Damn, I think I might have a belt separation too. I have vibration at 75-80 mph.

[quote=PANCAKES!;82950]WOW!
BENJI, you got me a little scurd to check my tires!!! :pat:[/quote]


No lie ... sheet I will look tonight

If you just purchased them and only have 50 miles on them talk to falken man, you shouldn't be having those problems with that many miles on your tires.

[quote=eightsixgts;82979]If you just purchased them and only have 50 miles on them talk to falken man, you shouldn't be having those problems with that many miles on your tires.[/quote]
 
Wrong. :pat: 
 
We all stretch our tires and run camber pass manufacturers specs. NO tire(s) were designed to run like this. 
 
We all have to take responsibility for our actions. :thelaw:

I already had a Falken FK452 separate, hopefully the other one is not separating.  These are supposed to be made for VIP cars with reinforced sidewalls. I never had this problem with my cheap Nankangs on the 240sx with neg. offset. It also seems like more and more people are experiencing this with the FK452. My next set will definately be from Nankang, Hankook, or Nexen....People I know drift on these and never have these problems and drifting is WAY more harsh on tires then VIP. :saiyancrunks:

if you hit the sidewall on any tire.....it will ruin the tire. The contact area is the only part of a tire that should EVER touch the road. 
 
[B]no[/B] tire on the market is made to stretch on rims they are not designed for. 
 
Tracks dont have pot holes to hit the sidewall. Sliding on them is different than hitting them. They wear out faster...but dont 'break'. 
 
seriously, take responsibility for your own car. If you put a turbo kit on a new car and blow the engine...thats YOUR fault no matter how it happened. Same rules apply. 
 
If you want a tire damage covered by the manufacturer, then run the proper sized tires and have your camber within OEM spec.

[quote=jubei07;83011]I already had a Falken FK452 separate, hopefully the other one is not separating. These are supposed to be made for VIP cars with reinforced sidewalls. I never had this problem with my cheap Nankangs on the 240sx with neg. offset. It also seems like more and more people are experiencing this with the FK452. My next set will definately be from Nankang, Hankook, or Nexen....People I know drift on these and never have these problems and drifting is WAY more harsh on tires then VIP. :saiyancrunks:[/quote]
See this why I prefer my Nankangs over myy 452s!
Not the best brand out but to me they've been so far!!!!
NANKANG FTW!!!!
:ugh2:

when u get tires...get that roadside hazrd warranty

there is definitely a lack of quality trend with the FK452's, too much of a coincidence to ignore.




[quote=PANCAKES!;83037]See this why I prefer my Nankangs over myy 452s!
Not the best brand out but to me they've been so far!!!!
NANKANG FTW!!!!
:ugh2:[/quote]

[QUOTE=DriftGirl;83015]if you hit the sidewall on any tire.....it will ruin the tire. The contact area is the only part of a tire that should EVER touch the road. 
 
[B]no[/B] tire on the market is made to stretch on rims they are not designed for. 
 
Tracks dont have pot holes to hit the sidewall. Sliding on them is different than hitting them. They wear out faster...but dont 'break'. 
 
seriously, take responsibility for your own car. If you put a turbo kit on a new car and blow the engine...thats YOUR fault no matter how it happened. Same rules apply. 
 
If you want a tire damage covered by the manufacturer, then run the proper sized tires and have your camber within OEM spec.[/QUOTE]

There are many benefits of mildly stretching tires, which can now even be seen on newly manufactured cars. Yes, VIP cars tend to stretch tires almost to the extreme in some cases but 50 miles on any tire this shouldn't happen. Plus, you send the tire back to them how can they prove he had stretched the tire on his wheel anyways? 50 miles isn't crap. Hell in my opinion, that's still considered a pretty mild stretch from the picture I can see. This case is a little bit different then putting a turbo on a car.. it's just a frickin' tire and regardless I would never buy that specific tire if I knew they were going to have this problem.

uh......his camber is practically at 45 degree's, so half his ground contact was his side wall.



[quote=eightsixgts;83066]There are many benefits of mildly stretching tires, which can now even be seen on newly manufactured cars. Yes, VIP cars tend to stretch tires almost to the extreme in some cases but 50 miles on any tire this shouldn't happen. Plus, you send the tire back to them how can they prove he had stretched the tire on his wheel anyways? 50 miles isn't crap. Hell in my opinion, that's still considered a pretty mild stretch from the picture I can see. This case is a little bit different then putting a turbo on a car.. it's just a frickin' tire and regardless I would never buy that specific tire if I knew they were going to have this problem.[/quote]

[quote=eightsixgts;83066]..... Plus, you send the tire back to them how can they prove he had stretched the tire on his wheel anyways? ......[/quote] 
 
Shows character :sad:  
 
yeah, benefits are 'looks' and helping underpowered cars fake tha funk :smiley:

i ran  a tire with a bubble like that for a good 4-5 months. nothing happened. but it would creep inthe back of my mind that any time its gonna blow out. better spending a few bucks for new tires then spent a shitload when and if it does blow out...possibly ruining your rim, body panel or suspension. better play it safe than sorry

I would replace asap thats sidewall separation its just gonna get worse  you dont want that thing blowing out when your on the freeway or at speed.

I'll replace it. I'm just dissapointed that I have to so soon. They were supposed to be good up to -4 degrees of camber according to their little brochure. I was running -3.5 camber in the front according to my alignment results, and it was a 225/35/19 on a 19x9 which they considered an approved width according to their website, but I'm sure hitting something in the road is another story. The fronts looked to be wearing evenly, but my rears are wearing more on the inside. Maybe they're living up to their -4 degrees claim, too bad I got that lump.

I have road hazard when I bought the car. But they didn't cover belt separations the 1st time...go figure (WTF). So tomorrow I'll have to run over a nail close to the sidewall. :dance: . Just following the road hazard warranty rules..don't hate.

I had that same problem with my 452's the good thing is that it happened to my front right tire about a week after I got them installed and the shop warrenty'ed them due to the fact that the tire only had about 50 miles on it. Its a 235 35 19 on a 9 inch wide rim so its a mild stretch.   It could have been a defective tire because all my other tires are fine, I now check all my tires  once a week for air pressure and side wall disfiguration.

[QUOTE=DriftGirl;83069]Shows character :sad:  
 
yeah, benefits are 'looks' and helping underpowered cars fake tha funk :smiley:[/QUOTE]

If you knew anything about drifting you should know what the benefits are exactly ;)

Like I said: Helping under-powered cars fake tha funk...I dont have that problem with any of my cars :shrug: 
 
I dont have to [B]reduce my contact patch[/B]... I can even spin dump truck tires in my [B]VIP[/B] whip[B] :smiley-rofl: [/B]

I have almost the same camber as Benji, with a 225/40 on an 18x10 and my tyres are coming up to 1yr old with no problems. I have hit road blemishes, potholes (not bad ones), and i even drove over a freakin cattle-grid on a highway at 50km/h (I realised too late, slammed the brakes but had to go over it anyway)
 
Tyres are fine, no visible bumps, smooth as hell on the highway and still some tread left. Oh, and these were Kumho Ecstas which are not exactly big-dollar tyres

[QUOTE=DriftGirl;83165]Like I said: Helping under-powered cars fake tha funk...I dont have that problem with any of my cars :shrug: 
 
I dont have to [B]reduce my contact patch[/B]... I can even spin dump truck tires in my [B]VIP[/B] whip[B] :smiley-rofl: [/B][/QUOTE]

 ...clueless. :pat:


ANYWAYS, back on topic.

Benji, I would see what kind of strings you can pull with Falken. They might even be cool about it, you never know without trying.

Damn y'all got me scared now. I'm running stretched 452's and camber. Oscar check my tires today. Haha.

[quote=KickEachVerse;83270]Damn y'all got me scared now. I'm running stretched 452's and camber. Oscar check my tires today. Haha.[/quote]
 
:pat: 
Coo :biggthumpup:

[quote=eightsixgts;83250]...clueless. :pat:
 
 
ANYWAYS, back on topic.
 
Benji, I would see what kind of strings you can pull with Falken. They might even be cool about it, you never know without trying.[/quote]
 
Clueless? PLEASE enlighten us :) 
 
 
I told you the 'benefits' of running a stretched tire: 'asthetics'. We all do it, but lets not front like theres a performance value....especially if youre doing it because a car lacks power. or simply dont know wtf youre talkin about :smiley-rofl: 
 
You dont want it with me son!:shrug:  LoL!!
 
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As for the tire problems: Dont tire dealers offer those unconditional warrantees for an additional fee? If so, Id buy one and stretch the hell outta everything :biggthumpup: 
 
and yes, I am biased and will come to bat for FALKEN tires (for obvious reasons)....but not at the expense of safety. 
 
it sucks about your tire tho. If I had a tire in that size, Id hook u up!!

As a former victim replace them. Falken told me that it would be user damage and not the tire so they wouldn't cover it. I had to cough another several hundred dollars for a new one. :grrr: Just make sure you have atleast 40 psi in your tires. That is what they told me.

But if you find out other wise with flaken I would like to know b/c I think my other tire is developing the same problem.

Well, unfortunately I bought this pair of used 225/25/19's from another member on here. They were pretty fresh when they were mounted, no signs of problems, ran perfectly. I checked them today after driving on them another 50 miles to work and back, and the bump looks to have doubled in size on that same tire, the other tire is perfect. I'm about to order a new one from tires.com, but I'm debating if I should pay the extra $22 for the road hazard warranty. I'm sure by the time I do run into something, my camber will probably wear the tread down where the warranty is voided.

[QUOTE=DriftGirl;83329]Clueless? PLEASE enlighten us :) 
 
 
I told you the 'benefits' of running a stretched tire: 'asthetics'. We all do it, but lets not front like theres a performance value....especially if youre doing it because a car lacks power. or simply dont know wtf youre talkin about :smiley-rofl: 
 
You dont want it with me son!:shrug:  LoL!!
 
[/QUOTE]

Tire stretching is very biased in the sense that it can be appealing *aesthetically* to some people, and to others, not at all. YES, in my perspective, I find it appealing and functional at the same time. 

The fact that you argue people stretch tires to reduce contact patch is irrelevant because regardless if you stretch the same tire on two different sized rims, you're still going to have the same contact patch. 

Aside from the aesthetic perspective, the biggest benefit of stretching tires in a performance standpoint, especially in drifting, is to stiffen the sidewall of any tire to help induce oversteer. Not to mention, it can greatly benefit a vehicle with a solid rear axle, providing what some consider a, "static camber." People can negate all they want about tire stretching, but I know what benefits can be offered by stretching as well.

BUT, what do I know.. I've only drifted for 5-6 years now and have built a couple, "underpowered" Corolla's since then. And I must stretch my tires because I really don't know what I'm doing, OH WELL. :shrug:
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If you want to carry this debate on any further DriftGirl please PM me.

Of course I understand why everyone has their own opinion, and I'm not here to push my beliefs on anyone. BUT, I am certainly able to share my end of the perspective or personal knowledge whenever necessary.

rub some tussin on it

Lemme point out a few facts:
-Ive built and owned more cars then youve had birthdays. :smiley-rofl: 
- you gave bad info...AGAIN
- Im a trained precision and stunt driver. Im not talkin about bein a drift track rat...Professional Driving schools for my craft...[B][SIZE=4]I get paid to do this $%*&[/SIZE] :smiley: Ive got more money wrapped up in training then youve got into your car. [/B]
- you gave bad info...again
- We can compare current cars, past cars..driving expirience, you name it. call a friend, you'll need the help :)
- The benefits are asthetic. stretched, cambered rims have a very small contact patch. look at the wear pattern. :pat: 
 
- you got into a pissing contest with the wrong person today :shrug:

Zing.

So I'm talking to a friend of mine who could possibly be on to something. If I were to hit a hole or something in the road, what is the liklihood of it damaging only the inner sidewall? Don't most obstacles do damage to both inner and outer sidewalls? He's saying it could be improper tire mounting, which I could believe because like I said earlier, this has happened to me before, but the 1st time I thought it was because the overall tread was getting low, but that too was just the inner sidewall again that started buldging. They are reverse mounting my tires which I'm sure is common, but I do recall the mounter I go to, or now use to go to, really working hard to get that inner sidewall to slide over the lip. My guess is he's damaging the sidewall when mounting, or I'm just possibly trying to find someone to blame besides myself here.

[QUOTE=Benji;83539]So I'm talking to a friend of mine who could possibly be on to something. If I were to hit a hole or something in the road, what is the liklihood of it damaging only the inner sidewall? Don't most obstacles do damage to both inner and outer sidewalls? He's saying it could be improper tire mounting, which I could believe because like I said earlier, this has happened to me before, but the 1st time I thought it was because the overall tread was getting low, but that too was just the inner sidewall again that started buldging. They are reverse mounting my tires which I'm sure is common, but I do recall the mounter I go to, or now use to go to, really working hard to get that inner sidewall to slide over the lip. My guess is he's damaging the sidewall when mounting, or I'm just possibly trying to find someone to blame besides myself here.[/QUOTE]


Yes your friend is onto something. 

That more than likely happened from mounting them. It's easy to damage a sidewall during mounting especially on a stretched tire.


It could possibly happen on a car from hitting something but i doubt it. As for camber causing a problem like this that's just funny. I have had more camber and never had that problem and drove that car everywhere. But i did have them same thing happen on a 240 when the tire was mounted.

I had that when I got new rims and wanted to put my tires on my new rims. You need to replace it ASAP!! It's very dangerous and could pop any moment!! You hit  a hard pothole and the rim protected you. My dunlops have sidewall protection and it really did protect the rim, while all the stress from hitting the pot hole went to the sidewall.

Benji, I dont think you're to blame but theres many factors surrounding your tires. Could they have been sold to u damaged (unknown) from the previous owners?  Unless its really bad, its hard to see sidewall damage on an unmounted tire. :(    damage by an installer can happen as well...or even a defect. 
 
I bought a car that developed a bubble in 2 of the sidewalls. They were higher-end dunlaps on an 8series BMW. I was replacing the rim & tire combo anyway, so it didnt make me THAT mad...because I dont know what happened with them (or the car) before they got in my possession. :shrug:  
 
 I was just a little upset because I couldnt sell them (for more) to recover sum of the money I spent on new rims. :sad:

When your running camber the inner sidewall is going to take the largest impact if you hit a pothole. If you think about the outer side wall is higher off the ground meaning further away from the surface of the pot hole. Tucson has shitty streets with tons of pot holes and debri in the road, during the rains here it is very hard to see if you hit something or not. I am sure that is what happened to mine. But i don't want to have to spend another 250 or w/e for a tire. I am getting another tire for mine and hopefully with alighnment and balancing will how they work. I need camber plates or something running camber sucks......T_T

Interestingly enough the sidewall is also the STRONGEST part of the tire..... hmmmmm

[QUOTE=DriftGirl;83561]Benji, I dont think you're to blame but theres many factors surrounding your tires. Could they have been sold to u damaged (unknown) from the previous owners?  Unless its really bad, its hard to see sidewall damage on an unmounted tire. :(    damage by an installer can happen as well...or even a defect. 
 
I bought a car that developed a bubble in 2 of the sidewalls. They were higher-end dunlaps on an 8series BMW. I was replacing the rim & tire combo anyway, so it didnt make me THAT mad...because I dont know what happened with them (or the car) before they got in my possession. :shrug:  
 
 I was just a little upset because I couldnt sell them (for more) to recover sum of the money I spent on new rims. :sad:[/QUOTE]

DrigtGirl you bring up a good  point. Sidewall damage also occurs when you run on a flat tire. When that happens the sidewall flexes to the point that it cracks. You really dont know what you get when you purchace used tires the sidewall separation wont show untill you mount them or acually start driving on them. Those bumps occur where the sidewall has failed its just gonna get worse

Like I said in the other FK452 thread, my other front tire I bought used is now bubbling up on the inner sidewall. That's it, no more FK452's for me. I'm only running -3.5 degrees of camber in the front and -7.5 in the rear and so far haven't seen any problems out of the rear tires yet which you would think since they have more camber, they would fail 1st. Man, I just 2 days ago I replaced the 1st front tire that failed, now I gotta buy another replacement, this is gay.

Dont forget, there's more weight on the front wheels, but still its too much of a coincidence
 
The prices Grant quoted for Federal tyres sounds pretty damn good though; you are lucky cos tyres cost at least twice as much here in Australia (I was considering importing my own!)

[quote=Benji;84150]Like I said in the other FK452 thread, my other front tire I bought used is now bubbling up on the inner sidewall. That's it, no more FK452's for me. I'm only running -3.5 degrees of camber in the front and -7.5 in the rear and so far haven't seen any problems out of the rear tires yet which you would think since they have more camber, they would fail 1st. Man, I just 2 days ago I replaced the 1st front tire that failed, now I gotta buy another replacement, this is gay.[/quote]
 
Seriously  Benji, that sounds pretty silly if u take a second to step back and think about it.  Thats like me saying I hate Mercedes because the used one I bought broke down on me. I bought someones car and dont know what they did with it before they sold it to me. It sounds to me like u bought sum bad tires or the person mounted them F'ed em up....or youre the most unlucky guy in the world. :( 
 
My 'new to me' 500 looked sooo perfect but had a slight pull that got slightly worse over a few months of driving. I finally had the car put on a rack and measured. I hung out on MB forums to see if other people had issues with their roadsters and cursed the Mercedes Gods. LoL!!  Its not Mercedes fault that I got screwed over with a used car....
 
Sure enough, it was bent. I know bodywork and this had to be the best job ever, because I didnt catch it. Nor did my friends who went with me to pick up the car. Thats a 50k mistake that I have to take responsibility for.  I spent a small fortune to get the car 'right' and sold my dream car this summer for what I paid for it...minus repair costs :sad:  I had big plans for that car too!! 
 
[URL]http://www.vipstylecars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2220[/URL]
 
I know its not the same as tires, but u can get the point im trying to make. 
 
You're upset (and should be!)[B] but[/B] you didnt buy [U]new[/U] tires...you bought [U]used[/U] ones and the issues that come with buying used parts. :sad:
 Buy new tires and use a shop that knows how to mount tires for ur VIP car. It Looks too nice to be sittin on the side of the road :biggthumpup: 
 
I Wish u the best of luck.

[quote=Dominik;84257]Dont forget, there's more weight on the front wheels, but still its too much of a coincidence
 
The prices Grant quoted for Federal tyres sounds pretty damn good though; you are lucky cos tyres cost at least twice as much here in Australia (I was considering importing my own!)[/quote]Very true, more weight up front could be worse than the rear having more camber. They may cost twice as much there, but I feel like I'm paying twice as much for tires here. :sad: 
 
[quote=DriftGirl;84261]Seriously Benji, that sounds pretty silly if u take a second to step back and think about it. Thats like me saying I hate Mercedes because the used one I bought broke down on me. I bought someones car and dont know what they did with it before they sold it to me. It sounds to me like u bought sum bad tires or the person mounted them F'ed em up....or youre the most unlucky guy in the world. :( 
 
My 'new to me' 500 looked sooo perfect but had a slight pull that got slightly worse over a few months of driving. I finally had the car put on a rack and measured. I hung out on MB forums to see if other people had issues with their roadsters and cursed the Mercedes Gods. LoL!! Its not Mercedes fault that I got screwed over with a used car....
 
Sure enough, it was bent. I know bodywork and this had to be the best job ever, because I didnt catch it. Nor did my friends who went with me to pick up the car. Thats a 50k mistake that I have to take responsibility for. I spent a small fortune to get the car 'right' and sold my dream car this summer for what I paid for it...minus repair costs :sad: I had big plans for that car too!! 
 
[URL]http://www.vipstylecars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2220[/URL]
 
I know its not the same as tires, but u can get the point im trying to make. 
 
You're upset (and should be!)[B] but[/B] you didnt buy [U]new[/U] tires...you bought [U]used[/U] ones and the issues that come with buying used parts. :sad:
Buy new tires and use a shop that knows how to mount tires for ur VIP car. It Looks too nice to be sittin on the side of the road :biggthumpup: 
 
I Wish u the best of luck.[/quote]I hear ya, and yea I am just a little frustrated with this whole ordeal. I'm just starting to have a list of issues with the FK452's, but I think I just need to narrow down the possibilties of what could be causing my issues. My very 1st FK452 that failed on me was my 215/35/19 on a 19x8.5 with no added camber for the front. I bought that tire new and it started bubbling up on the inner sidewall when it still had maybe 80% treadlife left, but the tire had a lot of inner wear due to not having an alignment done. At that time, I thought nothing of it and blamed the failure due to the inner sidewall being worn down so much that it bubbled up. That was mounted by the same person I was pissed at because I thought he could be the issue to my 2nd failed 452 which was a used 225/35/19 on 19x9 with -3.5 of camber, wanting to blame him for his inexperience with mounting and probably damaging the sidewall when trying to muscle the sidewall over the lip. He also mounted the 3rd 225/35/19 on 19x9 with -3.5 of camber which was also used and has failed. All 3 tires were for front wheels, the 1st failure was a new tire with no added camber, but also no alignment done putting a lot of wear on the inner sidewall, the 2nd and 3rd were bought used and had added camber and corrected alignment, no abnormal inner wear. All failing with about 80% treadlife left. All of my rear 452's have been new and never bubbled up on me regardless of the camber, unless I spoke to soon and the pair I'm on now fails on me. I'm guessing it's just what happens when buying used tires, and the new tire that did fail on me, could've been due to abnormal inner tire wear, though all 3 were mounted by the same person and failed. The used tires looked to be ok when mounted, but I guess after driving on them for a couple hundred miles, the bubbles come up, and I'm not doing anything different in my driving on my daily commute to work and back, there hasn't been any major potholes I've hit, rain or shine. I'm curious to how long this new 452 will last that I had an experienced mounter add to the front. I think with the 3rd tire that just failed, I'm going to try an ST115. Now my car will look mismatched with 1 different tire. :sad:

[quote=Benji;84271] my 2nd failed 452 which was a used 225/35/19 on 19x9 with -3.5 of camber[/quote]

if your bubble was caused by impact, there is no argument.

according to falkentire.com, fk-452, 225/35/19's approved width is 7.5-9, and load rating is 1,235.  if your tires are stretched, then falken obviously approves of it.

your only non-compliance is the amount of camber (-3.5).  -3.5 is hardly enough to cause consistent sidewall bubbling due to surface contact, under normal conditions.

i've run a 215/35/18 on a 9" with 15 degrees of negative camber for years, and haven't bubbled a sidewall yet.  i also don't use falken tires.

[quote=viplife;84290]if your bubble was caused by impact, there is no argument.
 
according to falkentire.com, fk-452, 225/35/19's approved width is 7.5-9, and load rating is 1,235. if your tires are stretched, then falken obviously approves of it.
 
your only non-compliance is the amount of camber (-3.5). -3.5 is hardly enough to cause consistent sidewall bubbling due to surface contact, under normal conditions.
 
i've run a 215/35/18 on a 9" with 15 degrees of negative camber for years, and haven't bubbled a sidewall yet. i also don't use falken tires.[/quote]I have a FK452 brochure where they are claiming their design can handle up to -4 degrees of camber. I'll scan and post it later. I've been reading on this issue of the sidewall bubble, or separation, and came across some info at TireRack. [URL]http://www.tirerack.com/tires-techpage-1/159.shtml[/URL] Looks like I might actually be hitting something hard enough to cause the damage and the vibration in the steering wheel may be occurring long after the impact, that way I'm not able to realize the exact road hazard that caused it. It could be that or just me driving on tires that cannot support the load, 86 for 215/35/19 (1st failed tire), 88 for 225/35/19 (2nd and 3rd failed tires).

[QUOTE=Benji;84301]I have a FK452 brochure where they are claiming their design can handle up to -4 degrees of camber. I'll scan and post it later. I've been reading on this issue of the sidewall bubble, or separation, and came across some info at TireRack. [URL]http://www.tirerack.com/tires-techpage-1/159.shtml[/URL] Looks like I might actually be hitting something hard enough to cause the damage and the vibration in the steering wheel may be occurring long after the impact, that way I'm not able to realize the exact road hazard that caused it. It could be that or just me driving on tires that cannot support the load, 86 for 215/35/19 (1st failed tire), 88 for 225/35/19 (2nd and 3rd failed tires).[/QUOTE]

I wanna vouch for load here. I have a brand new 452 (225/35/19) on a 8.5 rim. It seems this may not be a good width to use the 235 have a much better and more tolerable load rating. Good luck on your tires, I am in the same boat. Keeping my fingers crossed, watching the road and watching my tire pressure.

no more fk452 for me, I'm gonna stick to the cheap stuff like federal, kumho, nankang, hankook, nexen.

[QUOTE=eightsixgts;83377]Tire stretching is very biased in the sense that it can be appealing *aesthetically* to some people, and to others, not at all. YES, in my perspective, I find it appealing and functional at the same time. 

The fact that you argue people stretch tires to reduce contact patch is irrelevant because regardless if you stretch the same tire on two different sized rims, you're still going to have the same contact patch. 

Aside from the aesthetic perspective, the biggest benefit of stretching tires in a performance standpoint, especially in drifting, is to stiffen the sidewall of any tire to help induce oversteer. Not to mention, it can greatly benefit a vehicle with a solid rear axle, providing what some consider a, "static camber." People can negate all they want about tire stretching, but I know what benefits can be offered by stretching as well.

BUT, what do I know.. I've only drifted for 5-6 years now and have built a couple, "underpowered" Corolla's since then. And I must stretch my tires because I really don't know what I'm doing, OH WELL. :shrug:
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If you want to carry this debate on any further DriftGirl please PM me.

Of course I understand why everyone has their own opinion, and I'm not here to push my beliefs on anyone. BUT, I am certainly able to share my end of the perspective or personal knowledge whenever necessary.[/QUOTE]


^^^ kid is right and true... driftgirl, you are a douchebag.. its funny how yo get boo'd off of every forum... dont make me pull threads from drifting.com.... but keep facelifting that tired SC of yours as trends change..... YOU'RE ON TOP... blahhh

hitting pot holes, running on a flat or a slightly deflated tire, putting awkard stress on the sidewalls will cause it to bubble. and eventually blow out. a bubble on the side wall is called a goose egg.

people have many opinions on why it happens. but as it has been stated before. many things could of caused the tire to get a bubble.

you see a bubble on the tire, put the tire on the back waste the living crap out of it if you know you cant replace it under a warrenty, and get 2 new tires...i recently had to get 2 new tires for the back stock wheels on my cressida.. guess i ran them a little hard and the thread started to separate....if you start to feel a slight vibration form steering, you better get it checked quick. cause you can be causing your wheel bearing to go bad too. i waited to long to replace the rear tires now i think one of my bearing is going bad cause i get a whine on cold days and cant go over 60mph... but on a hot day i can drive it up to speed just fine.....gayness.

putting people on blast iesent cool either. everyone on here should be mature enough to keep things to themselves. 

all in all. get tires replace asap.

[QUOTE=PANCAKES!;83037]See this why I prefer my Nankangs over myy 452s!
Not the best brand out but to me they've been so far!!!!
NANKANG FTW!!!!
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i am running 235/35/19 on a 19-9.5 and 275/30/20 on a 20-10.5 fk452 and i hav bubbled up all 4. i do drive really hard though so i expect to have problems eventually even though i keep 45 psi in them. you really got me contemplating getting these nankangs but i am still aprehensive!