Thread #7339

Its a crime to stand still on Manhattan sidewalks?

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DriftGirlOctober 20, 2007
#99775

Its a crime to stand still on Manhattan sidewalks?

[INDENT]It's apparently a crime to stand still on the streets of Manhattan:

...when Matthew Jones of Brooklyn lingered on the corner of 42nd Street and Seventh Avenue in the early morning of June 12, 2004, gabbing with friends as other pedestrians tried to get by, something unusual happened: He was arrested for it.
A police officer said Mr. Jones was impeding other pedestrians and charged him with disorderly conduct.
Mr. Jones is not taking the charges lying down (so to speak). After trying twice to get the charges dismissed, he has taken his case to the state’s highest court, the Court of Appeals, which heard arguments here on Wednesday.
In the prosecution’s view, it appears, the innocent do not dawdle. According to the original complaint against Mr. Jones, the officer “observed defendant along with a number of other individuals standing around” on a public sidewalk in June 2004. Mr. Jones was “not moving, and that as a result of defendants’ behavior, numerous pedestrians in the area had to walk around defendants.”
[/INDENT]Surely there's more to this story, right? Ms. Prosecutor?
[INDENT]Paula-Rose Stark, a Manhattan assistant district attorney, argued that the facts in the complaint were sufficient for the charge of disorderly conduct. Mr. Jones’s reckless intent, Ms. Stark said, was evident from the fact that his behavior was noticeable in the first place “amid the inevitable hustle and bustle of Times Square, the construction, the vehicular traffic.”[/INDENT]Ah. So he was standing noticeably. Now that....still makes no sense at all. Fortunately for Jones, New York's highest court appears to believe he has a leg or two to stand on:
[INDENT]“Isn’t that lawful conduct?” wondered Judge Robert S. Smith. Later he added, “Your conduct can’t be illegal just because an officer noticed it.” His colleague Judge Eugene F. Pigott Jr. questioned what other violations might attract law enforcement attention.
“All I could think of was a bunch of lawyers from the New York City Bar Association standing around trying to figure out where to have lunch,” Judge Pigott said. (The association has offices a block and a half from Times Square.)
Chief Judge Judith S. Kaye seemed likewise nonplused. “This is at 2 a.m.?” she asked, wondering how many pedestrians it would have been possible to inconvenience at that hour. “I guess I’m not in Times Square at 2 a.m. very often.”
[/INDENT]Good to know that New York taxpayers are paying the state's brightest legal minds to sort this important matter out.

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[INDENT]It's apparently a crime to stand still on the streets of Manhattan: 
 
...when Matthew Jones of Brooklyn lingered on the corner of 42nd Street and Seventh Avenue in the early morning of June 12, 2004, gabbing with friends as other pedestrians tried to get by, something unusual happened: He was arrested for it. 
A police officer said Mr. Jones was impeding other pedestrians and charged him with disorderly conduct. 
Mr. Jones is not taking the charges lying down (so to speak). After trying twice to get the charges dismissed, he has taken his case to the state’s highest court, the Court of Appeals, which heard arguments here on Wednesday. 
In the prosecution’s view, it appears, the innocent do not dawdle. According to the original complaint against Mr. Jones, the officer “observed defendant along with a number of other individuals standing around” on a public sidewalk in June 2004. Mr. Jones was “not moving, and that as a result of defendants’ behavior, numerous pedestrians in the area had to walk around defendants.”
[/INDENT]Surely there's more to this story, right? Ms. Prosecutor? 
[INDENT]Paula-Rose Stark, a Manhattan assistant district attorney, argued that the facts in the complaint were sufficient for the charge of disorderly conduct. Mr. Jones’s reckless intent, Ms. Stark said, was evident from the fact that his behavior was noticeable in the first place “amid the inevitable hustle and bustle of Times Square, the construction, the vehicular traffic.”[/INDENT][I]Ah[/I]. So he was standing [I]noticeably[/I]. Now [I]that[/I]....still makes no sense at all. Fortunately for Jones, New York's highest court appears to believe he has a leg or two to stand on: 
[INDENT]“Isn’t that lawful conduct?” wondered Judge Robert S. Smith. Later he added, “Your conduct can’t be illegal just because an officer noticed it.” His colleague Judge Eugene F. Pigott Jr. questioned what other violations might attract law enforcement attention. 
“All I could think of was a bunch of lawyers from the New York City Bar Association standing around trying to figure out where to have lunch,” Judge Pigott said. (The association has offices a block and a half from Times Square.) 
Chief Judge Judith S. Kaye seemed likewise nonplused. “This is at 2 a.m.?” she asked, wondering how many pedestrians it would have been possible to inconvenience at that hour. “I guess I’m not in Times Square at 2 a.m. very often.”
[/INDENT]Good to know that New York taxpayers are paying the state's brightest legal minds to sort this important matter out.
 
:thelaw: :thelaw: :thelaw:  :smiley-rofl: :smiley-rofl: :thelaw: :thelaw: :smiley-rofl: :smiley-rofl:
Yokotas13October 21, 2007
#99796
you knwo what
this is dumb

IF IF IF IF a group of people were sitting there, chillin while EVERYONE else was trying to get by, and they were inconsiderate enough not to move, then great.
let em get in trouble
Maybe it will throw some common courtesy into the piece of shit america today


\but at 2am...im sure there was more going on....instead of just standing there. but ya know shit happens.
And it actually is a law in most states that you cant impede pedestrians.
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you knwo what
this is dumb

IF IF IF IF a group of people were sitting there, chillin while EVERYONE else was trying to get by, and they were inconsiderate enough not to move, then great.
let em get in trouble
Maybe it will throw some common courtesy into the piece of shit america today


\but at 2am...im sure there was more going on....instead of just standing there. but ya know shit happens.
And it actually is a law in most states that you cant impede pedestrians.
the_wise_foolOctober 21, 2007
#99827
That's ridiculous.

Somebody gets in trouble for that but the moronic kids that I went to high school with never got in trouble for standing in the middle of the hallway talking their lives away while others were trying to get to class. GODDAMN RETARDS. The sad part is, I see this shit in college too.

*Sorry for my little rant.
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That's ridiculous. 

Somebody gets in trouble for that but the moronic kids that I went to high school with never got in trouble for standing in the middle of the hallway talking their lives away while others were trying to get to class. GODDAMN RETARDS. The sad part is, I see this shit in college too. 

*Sorry for my little rant.
widebody_QOctober 21, 2007
#99861
Believe it or not, even at 2 am its still packed at that part of the city. Clubs dont close until 4am some stay open til 12pm. If your not going to move then walk over to near the wall.


Im sure there was more to it. They most likely were drunk or really loud. Police in the city could care less about petty stuff like that unless someone called 311 on them and then the cops would have to take action. My friend used to work for 311 and would tell me how people would call them for stupid shit all day.
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Believe it or not, even at 2 am its still packed at that part of the city.  Clubs dont close until 4am some stay open til 12pm. If your not going to move then walk over to near the wall.
 
 
Im sure there was more to it. They most likely were drunk or really loud. Police in the city could care less about petty stuff like that unless someone called 311 on them and then the cops would have to take action. My friend used to work for 311 and would tell me how people would call them for stupid shit all day.